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Religion?[edit]

Is Mr. Williams religious? HD 123321 02:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One infers that he was raised Roman Catholic as the Education entry indicates that he attended St Bons College at a time when Newfoundland employed a system of Denominational Schools. It required an amendment to the Canadian Constitution Act to change this back in the 1990s. It would be considered crass to delve more deeply into his personal views on religion as these are considered to be a private matter in Canada. His reputation suggests that he is of above average character. I believe that he did some legal work on behalf of victims of abuse by members of the 'Christian Brothers' at Mount Cashel Orphanage some time ago. Jwaustin188 (talk) 06:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

I would like to see the section on the seal hunt in this article more closely resemble that on Paul McCartney's page. The section here is obviously written from an anti-hunt perspective. BoojiBoy 20:25, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well feel free to delve into the History of the Paul McCartney page and salvage what you want (be sure to include a link back to that article in your edit summary, for GFDL purposes, though). I've just zapped most of it for being POV and more to the point way over the top. McCartney has a career of nearly 50 years now, and yet one minor (to the rest of the world) trip to Canada was being given undue prominence. I feel the episode is properly discussed in this article, since Mr Williams is the premier of Newfoundland.

I was a bit bothered that McCartney (male) is referred to throughout this article as "Sir Paul" when the usual encyclopedic style would be "McCartney". It then occured to me, however, that since his wife took part too, the article needs to distinguish between the two of them, so "Paul" is needed. The question, then, is should he be referred to as "Sir Paul" or as "Paul McCartney"? --kingboyk 22:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External link to New York Times article[edit]

I removed the link to the New York Times article as you had to pay to read the full thing. This is basically advertising/selling, and doesn't belong on Wikipedia.--Sima Yi 04:33, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Harper stuff[edit]

I came here to find something about this. Could someone add it, please? 86.136.250.93 23:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Williams' dislike of the federal government-- especially Stephen Harper-- is very prominent and should be mentionned somewhere, if not have its own section. M.nelson (talk) 14:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment[edit]

I have assessed this as Start Class, as it contains more detail and organization than would be expected of a Stub, but little organization and no referencing. I have assessed this as low importance, as I do not feel that many people outside of Canada would be familiar with the subject of the article. I also knocked down WP:WPBIO's assessment to Start, because there's no way that this qualifies as a B. Cheers, CP 15:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Year of birth[edit]

Prior to 9 May 2006 Danny William's birth year was 1950. User:Reardo changed it to 1949 on this date and it seems to have stayed that way until now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CubBC (talk • contribs) 04:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed the birth year from 1949 to 1950. Danny Williams was a guest on CBC's The Hour and the bio presented gives the year as 1950. This is the same date as appears on the CBC website[1]. Also found the same information at About.com[2].

But, I've found this CBC site[3] and this reference[4] that gives 1949 as his birth year.

I've sent an email to CBC to get them to look into it.

Did the CBC get it wrong? (Gasp!!)

YES, the CBC got it wrong. Danny Williams was born on August 4, 1949. Source: Canadian Press, Oct 9 2007.

CubBC (talk) 04:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/williams_danny/
  2. ^ http://canadaonline.about.com/cs/premiers/p/dannywilliams.htm
  3. ^ http://www.cbc.ca/nlvotes2007/parties/williams.html
  4. ^ http://www.mapleleafweb.com/voter-almanac/danny-williams

ABC Campaign[edit]

I think it would be relevant to mention his ABC (Anything But Conservative) campaign against the federal Conservative Party. Not just mention but explain why he is against the federal version of his party. RiseAgainst01 (talk) 15:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The fact there is no mention to Williams very public fued with Harper is something that needs to be fixed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.199.24 (talk) 20:25, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I see no reason for this section to be deleted. Any call for it is certainly politically motivated, and there's no place for that kind of bigotry here. A secondary source was provided, maybe the person who marked it for deletion should read the article. This is a significant stance by the politician in an important political juncture for the country. For a politician to come out so strongly like this deserves to be recorded, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a censor.Rob 15:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rcarty (talk • contribs)

All women leaders of 3 major political parties[edit]

That will be sorta true, but not exactly. The Deputy Premier will become Premier (on December 3, 2010), but only interim leader of the Nfld PC party. GoodDay (talk) 22:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Election results[edit]

Is there a reason why the change of seats in the election of 2003 is in percentage and the change in 2007 is in absolute numbers of seats ? Procule (talk) 01:37, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's likey a blunder. GoodDay (talk) 01:41, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Wizardman Operation Big Bear 23:19, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll review this article shortly. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 23:19, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the issues I found:

  • Are you sure he's retired? I'm just double-checking since it's hard to trust politicians on stuff like that, but since there's no information post-resignation that's probably the case.
 Done Changed
  • "The Williams family have been Progressive Conservatives since the province's confederation with Canada, in his youth" should be a semicolon
 Done.Moxy (talk) 05:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • So he earned three undergraduate degrees? Just double checking since to me that sounds a bit strange.
Don't understand this exactly.
It says he received undergraduate degrees from memorial university, oxford, and dalhousie, just making sure that's right.
That is correct!

Wizardman Operation Big Bear 18:06, 8 March 2011 (UTC)::[reply]

  • "Then eight months later the" Saying 'Eight months later, the' sounds better.
 Done,Moxy (talk) 05:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Williams practised law from 1972," until when? have it structured like that without an endpoint is confusing; then again if that's how it's written outside the U.S. then nevermind.
Williams has stated that he may practise law again
still on the bar paying dues - thus can practice at will..Reworded to -->Williams has been practising law since 1972.Moxy (talk) 05:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In 2000 after years of speculation" commas after 2000 and speculation, but more importantly, this seems to come out of nowhere. are there any news sources you can find to note earlier speculation and why he declined original nominations?
There's the interview that I would assume is okay
could you show us the link? sorry see it below .Moxy (talk) 05:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "In September 2001, Liberal Member of the House of Assembly (MHA)," second comma not needed
 Done
  • I'm not sure of the necessity of the appearances section. I would merge the important ones into the premier section and remove the others along with the section.
I had thought the same thing yesterday
  • Ref #45 (N.L. hikes offshore revenue) is a deadlink.
 Done.Moxy (talk) 05:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • A couple references (Williams attacks 'predatory' Quebec over hydro, 38th PARLIAMENT 1st SESSION, "This page is available to GlobePlus subscribers" and "May 2010 Poll") needs publishers or access dates
 Done,Moxy (talk) 05:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have not read through the premier section just yet, but I don't like how the controversies are separated. To me, the while timeline should be able to flow together without issue. That will need to be reworked.

I'll put the article on hold despite my review not yet being complete, and once all the above issues are addressed I'll read through the premier section of the article. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:08, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the remaining issues I found:

  • "In the general election Williams led his party to victory becoming the province's ninth Premier, this win marked only the third change of government in the 54 years since the province joined Canada" should be period after Premier, or maybe a semicolon.
 Done
  • "While public sectors workers were preparing to go on strike at midnight the Williams government was calling for the elimination of 4,000 public sector jobs." sounds a bit odd as worded. Comma after midnight might help, rewording could be beneficial as well; namely though, have this sentence and the next one flow a bit easier.
I believe I made it better. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 16:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Did anything of note happen between 2005 and 2007? The jump in the first term section threw me off. I see something in the controversy section which should be moved up.
I think I had this done befor but didn't want to be repetative. Should I find something else or try and add the information from the controversies section up? Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 16:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Try to limit sentences that start with "on (date), ...". When it's used in three straight paragraphs it feels repetitive; mix it up.
  • "The general election was called soon after Williams announced the popular Hebron Oil Field deal," popular not needed, since we can tell by the election results. Also, is oil field meant to be capitalized? It's not elsewhere in the article.
 Done
  • "The province expects to gain at least $20 billion in royalties and up to 3,500 jobs from the project." anything updated on that?
Not really, some work has started but the oil field won't go into production for another 6 years.Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 16:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Fixed Have added "Construction is scheduled to start in 2012, with oil extraction by 2017." so that until 2012 no need for updates unless its starts early or gets cancelled or delayed.Moxy (talk) 02:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second term doesn't seem to have much info, but again, that's because a lot of it is in the controversy section.
How should I go about this? Should I have more detailed early on and then less information in the controversies section? Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 16:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • "This significantly raised Williams' popularity in the province, though the deal was criticized by Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty." citation needed
 Done
  • "Williams himself later said "I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics" in defending his choice. " quotes need to be cited
 Done
  • "Williams said "Québec's self interest is harming the provinces, the nation and our country's international reputation", and that, "Québec gets its own way because it has achieved the political trifecta. Their provincial special interests are protected by their influential Ministers in the Federal Government, the Provincial Government of Québec and the Bloc - a party that has a significant role in the balance of power which prioritizes issues only of concern to Québec."" quotes need cites
 Done
  • The public opinion section feels recentist, with little writing or cites to start and nearly all the opinion notes coming in the last year or two of his term.
  • "Williams popularity is said to be unmatched" Williams' popularity
 Done
  • You talk about how controversial he is, yet at the same time the public opinion section sounds like a glowing review of him. It's actually a bit confusing.
As stated in the opening he's controversial outside the province, I will try and make it clear here. Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 16:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
This is a hard one - as he is very controversial (in the federal realm) - yet his opinion polls are through the roof in his home province and very well respected nationally.Moxy (talk) 02:27, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I noted above, I don't like the controversy in ts own separate section; it doesn't feel encyclopedic.
I'll try and figure that out, it was a big part of his premiership.Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 16:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok i put a copy of the section at User:Moxy/sandbox - y dont we go over the section <s>Striking out</s> what can go and is unsourced. The we will simply deleted the section in the article and add what we have left into the other sections by dates and appropriateness. What do you think?Moxy (talk) 02:38, 11 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Article remains hold, though these problems are more serious than the ones already found. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 04:42, 10 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article looks a lot better now, so I'll give it a final read-through either today or tomorrow. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 18:44, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the remaining issues I have:

  • "The first year of Williams' government was marked with controversy, soon after being elected" period after controversy.
  • "as well they delayed other projects most notably the opening of The Rooms, the provinces" comma after projects, province's, and the first part listed doesn't fit with the first part of the sentence.
  • "The Williams government was calling for the elimation of 4,000 public sector jobs, two days later at midnight" period at jobs, and elimination is spelled wrong.
  • "The deal was reached Friday night after 10 straight hours of negotiations, the two provinces will keep all their revenues " comma's not the right punctuation there but not sure how to fix this one.
  • "According to Deputy Premier Kathy Dunderdale, "It was never an option offered to him to have this procedure done in this province."" cite needed
  • ""I have the utmost confidence in our own health care system in Newfoundland and Labrador, but we are just over half a million people,"" cite needed
  • "Though Williams' premiership was considered quite controversial his own" comma after controversial
  • "his government were consistantly" consistently
  • I'm actually going to request that this get a copyedit review at WP:GOCE. It seems like the more I read it the more issues I find, and would rather knock out all issues in one swoop.

Once all these issues are fixed I'll pass the article. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 14:55, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So will I just nominate this for a copyedit review and they will fix the issues with the writing? Newfoundlander&Labradorian (talk) 20:48, 16 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yup. I went ahead and added it, so once the above is fixed we just need to wait the few days for it, then the review will be done. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 02:27, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've done an extensive copyedit on the article. Prose apart, I feel the biggest potential issues are the significant section on opinion polls/popularity. I have significantly pruned the section, but remain concerned that we may still be placing undue emphasis on this, especially as the section is entirely cited to primary sources. Could this be in any way bolstered by independent sources? --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 09:45, 17 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm inclined to agree. An opinion section helps, but four lengthy paragraphs might be overdoing it; either combining those final two into one or finding more independent sources would be helpful; I'll await the opinion of the writer. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so I've went and read this article again a couple times, in particular the popularity section. While it does feel a bit like overkill to me, and third-party source additions would be beneficial, I don't think it's so lengthy as to warrant further holding. As such, after seeing the vast improvement over its original state, I am passing the article as a GA without prejudice, meaning if someone really thinks I'm stupid for passing it they're more than welcome to GAR it. I do think a bit more work should go into it, and if this was at FAC I would oppose as is, but it does pass all GA criteria. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:50, 20 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Could someone please write a separate article on Canadian Flag Lap?[edit]

Could someone please write a separate article on Canadian Flag Lap? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2004/12/24/williams041224.html http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2004/12/23/williams041223.html Thanks in advance.--189.104.102.43 (talk) 13:23, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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