Talk:Altimit OS

Actually, it is explained very clearly in the series why ALTIMIT OS is the one stable OS; it's the only OS that wasn't succeptible to the ravages of Pluto's_Kiss. --User:Gau 05:31, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Partially Rewritten for Fiction

I've tried to make it clearer that this isn't a real OS, and added more references to this being part of the .hack universe. Mysticaloctopus 02:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

ALTIMIT Corporation

Just to inform all, ALTIMIT Corporation is now real and ALTIMIT OS is currently under development . It will be a stand alone operating system. I am one of the Head Developers for ALTIMIT Corporation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DarkAkira (talk • contribs).

That may well be true. However, not only are you putting it in the article in such a way that makes it difficult to tell what's about the real one and what's about the fictional one, there's also a major conflict of interest if you are one of the people working on it. Until it becomes notable enough in its own sense, it doesn't really belong here, and you should not be the one adding the information, nor should anyone who's working on it. Don't toot your own horn, and all that. Nique talk 12:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

We have a good base community, and plenty of people know about. However, I am the only one on the community who knows how to make edits in Wikipedia, and the only one with experience. Also, I am on of the only people with the information of what ALTIMIT can do. And why shouldn't a developer add the relevant information. They are true fact about ALTIMIT OS and should be added to the wiki. I don't see how that can be a conflict of interest. What better source of information than one of it's head developers. We can't just pretend the OS isn't real anymore, because it is no longer a fictional thing. Also, I labeled in my revisions what belongs to the REAL OS. I don't know how it looks confusing, but the people I sent here were able to figure it out just fine. Also, since the edits, more people came to our site looking for even more information. By not having the new information, you are denying people truth about ALTIMIT, and somewhat hiding its real life development. If you don't like how I worded, then try to revise my wording rather than completely remove my information completely. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.232.161.86 (talk)

But this is the article ABOUT the fictional one, from the .hack// series. And if you'd have a read of the WP:COI page, you'd see how there's a conflict of interest. If your ALTIMIT becomes notable in its own right, it should get a mention somewhere, maybe even someday its own article, but for now, as far as I can see it's just a fan-project based on the fictional one, and even though there may be a real one now, if the ONLY person who can add information about it is subject to WP:COI, then it shouldn't be added here. (Also, please sign your talk page entries. Thanks!) Nique talk 15:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Then explain this to me. How am I supposed to put information about the OS into wikipedia if the article for it only talks about the fictional one? They are both the SAME OS with the SAME nme created by the SAME corporation. The information needs to be up there. Not just as facts, be to let .hack// lovers and ALTIMIT OS fans know the information behind the working version of ALTIMIT OS. The reason I am the only who can add information is because I know the specs, development, and everything else better than anyone. Other users know what they have been told in my dev logs. I know what is in the actual project, and because our users aren't the developers, they could not provide accurate information about the operating system. DarkAkira 15:49, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The people currently making a real-life ALTIMIT are not the fictional corporation, they are basing something real on something fictional. The current real-life ALTIMIT OS does not appear to be notable enough for mention here just yet. It has not been publicized or accepted widely, information or articles about it have not been published in third-party sources like magazines, it's not even freely available for download as far as I can tell from browsing the site without signing up. If you want, we can get a third opinion, but I'm going by Wiki's guidelines on notability here, as well as, again, the guidelines on conflicts of interest. Your continued attempts to add the information, and your arguments here, seem (to me) like you're trying to publicize your own project in the interests of making it grow, which is, again, a big no-no. Nique talk 18:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

That is not what I am trying to do at all. The only thing I am doing is letting the people who view this wiki entry know that ALTIMIT OS is currently under development. We may be based off of fiction, but we are ALTIMIT Corporation. We worked everything out with Bandai's copyright Office and have their ok to do what we are doing. We may not be in magazines, but it doesnt make us any less real. Windows wasnt in magazines at first. Neither was apple. We are a rising company, with a project in development. It is not available for download yet, but that is because it is still in it's Internal Alpha stage. Why does that make it not worthy of being part of the ALTIMIT OS wiki?It's not like I'm adding Random statements. I am adding Factual data about the operating system to the operating systems wiki. Real Data about the Real OS. It may have started out fictional, but is not any longer. Now it is becoming a realthing. I don't know if you have veiwed the screenshots from our progress, but it is coming along quickly. DarkAkira 02:03, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if you aren't adding it for promotional reasons. You are NOT the fictional ALTIMIT corporation, and you are NOT the makers of the fictional ALTIMIT OS. The fictional ones are what these articles are about, because they are notable enough to be kept as articles. Your company's information should NOT be on Wikipedia the way you were adding it, as though it were the actual reason for the articles to exist, and you should NOT be adding it yourself. If you continue to refuse to see the reasons why (in the face of all of the the policies and guidelines involved) you should not add it, I will not hesitate to escalate this issue. Nique talk 02:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me like your getting WAY to angry about this issue. Then you explain to me. How should I put the VALID inf on Wikipedia. I can't add it to ALTIMIT OS, so what am I supposed to put it under?? Hmm?? And BTW, the article may have started out with the fictional information, but that was before anything real was around. And it doesn't say fictional in the title, which indicates that the article can be anything relevant to ALTIMIT OS. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DarkAkira (talk • contribs).

"How should I put the VALID inf on Wikipedia"? You shouldn't. Conflict of interest. "And it doesn't say fictional in the title, which indicates that the article can be anything relevant to ALTIMIT OS" No, it doesn't. It means that there wasn't a "real" ALTIMIT OS when the article was created. It also should not be changed, and an article for your "real" ALTIMIT OS should not be created because of notability guidelines, most especially notability guidelines for corporations. Your "ALTIMIT Corporation" is simply not notable enough, it's not widely known, and your ALTIMIT OS is not even available for download yet. When it becomes notable in its own right, yes, it should get its own article. However, these articles are for the fictional corporation and OS, they always have been, and if your versions ever become notable enough to get their own articles, then the separate articles will be marked (fictional) and (real) or something like that, to differentiate them, but for now, the ONLY way your project belongs on Wiki is perhaps a small mention at the bottom of the page, saying how fans have created a real ALTIMIT corporation and OS based on the fictional ones. Nique talk 15:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

And what would be the point of adding it to the bottom with one crappy like? It doesn't provide any insight as to what we are doing. It doesnt provide any details about the OS, or any of its features. It would do nothing. And yes, the article was originally made for fiction, but since then ALTIMIT has evolved into real-life things. I personally think that the article should be edited accordingly. I mean... Somethig fake spawned something real. Shouldn't that be noted? Shouldn't the information about the real be available to all who read the article looking for Info about ALTIMIT OS? I think so. I read those guidlines, and it looks to me like The real OS has every right to be noted on the ALTIMIT OS article. And if you don't want me to post, then I'll let my users do it.

Hi! Wikipedia has some policies that limit what kind of material can be included in the encyclopedia, particularly a requirement that any content be notable and verified. Until the "real" ALTIMIT Corporation and OS meet these two criteria, information about them can't be included. It's that simple. If you can show that the "real" corporation and OS meet these criteria -- which requires showing they've been the subjects of independent reliable sources -- then we can discuss how to include content about them in the encyclopedia. But if not, we just can't include the material, so as far as we're concerned the material just doesn't exist. We have a specific policy, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, that specifically prohibits using Wikipedia to announce products etc. that aren't yet notable and in the public eye. Until proven otherwise, this seems to be exactly the situation you have. If so, please find some other way to bring public attention to your organization and product, and thanks for your understanding. Best, --Shirahadasha 17:38, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Fine. Then I will find a way to show you its publicity. But just to let all know, the dev site link was removed by a user saying it was spam or something. I put it back on though. I did not put the link on the page, It was always there. I just merely renamed the links at the bottom to better explain what they were. The original descriptions were very vague. I do not know why the link to ALTIMIT OS's dev site was removed or why the user thought it was spam, but its not. And I didnt originally put it there. Just letting all know about it. DarkAkira 02:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Links to fan projects

I've just removed the link to the fan project. It had been changed to a different project which is just one small indicator of the trouble such links can cause. As far as I can tell neither of the projects have a big presence or reputation yet that might make them an appropriate addition to the article and neither provide good encyclopedic information on the Altimit OS that this article covers. Seems like we ought to err on the conservative side here. -- Siobhan Hansa 12:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Hello. My name is Dan Boudreau, I am the owner of AltimitOS.com. I just wanted to put my two cents in about this, considering it is my website and corporation. I would like to let you all know that we are creating ALTIMIT OS. This is not any kind of joke nor should it be treated as one. The project is very popular among the .hack// community. I also do not see why Joespeh Stacko is mentioned on the "The World" article for recreating his version of it. Joeseph Stack and myself began a partnership which not too long ago faded because of compatibility issues with his game and my operating system. And I also don't see how his website has any kind of encyclopedic information about The World or CyberConnect2. I would very much appreciate either one of the two things happening. Either A: Remove Joeseph Stacko's reference for the same reasons that you will not allow my site to be mentioned. Or B: Add my reference on the "ALTIMIT OS" article without any problems. I will give you that we don't have any encyclopedic information about the fictional operating system, however we have plenty of technical details about the one that we are currently working on. So please get this straightened out either way. Thank you. -- Dan Boudreau 5:45, 01 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dan. Sorry you're finding this frustrating, but you seem to be under a misapprehension about Wikipedia. You will effect more change if your points address how the article can be improved as a an encyclopedia article, not as a forum for your marketing. We're here to write an encyclopedia. Your competition with your former partner is irrelevant to us. We are not here to provide you with a platform for promotion - or even a fair and level playing field. We do not promise to be consistent across articles, the inclusion of a similar effort on another article is not a good reason for us to include yours here. If you believe changes to the The World article would make it more encyclopedic, bring them up on the talk page there. -- Siobhan Hansa 11:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

We're not treating it as a joke. We're treating it as a fan-project which is currently not notable enough on its own to deserve more than a quick mention on the page. Nobody has tried even once to make fun of or dismiss your project outright as a joke. We're just trying to keep the page encyclopedic and correct according to Wiki's guidelines. Your project is, as has been said before, not notable enough in its own right, as well as there being a conflict of interest in members of the project or the site adding information. Have a look above at the previous discussion about the topic, as well as the talk pages for the people who have contributed to the discussion, to see more of the reasons why your project should not get more than a small section at the bottom of this article. Nique talk 13:42, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be a confusion about 'conflict of interest' here. If an individual with vastly superior access to factual information regarding a specific product, service, or company wishes to add that information, that is fine - so long as the entry remains NPOV and, again, factual. 'Our cookies are the greatest' is COI and certainly not NPOV. 'Our cookies are made with 100% Beef Intestine' isn't NPOV (cf. 'Our'), but isn't COI. It cannot possibly be COI, as it is objectively truthful information (cf. 'factual'). I, for one, would also rather see edits made openly by individuals who are directly involved in certain subjects, as presently the issue is too many un-commented edits from corporate IPs.

This is moot at present, of course, as it appears this project is dead. 68.166.26.32 05:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Than if it does desere as much as a small section at the bottom of the page, than I dont see why it keeps getting deleted. And Also Joeseph Stacko is no competition to us at all, so please get your facts straight before you reply again. All I would like is just a link and description of what we are doing. Obviously anyone that would read the article would be interested in the real development of the operating system. -Dan Boudreau-

Not necessarily. And mentions, i.e. s small, short section outlining the very basics (that there is a project going on, maybe a VERY brief outline of the project itself), at the bottom of the article aren't getting deleted. Nobody's even ADDED one yet, as far as I can tell, unless I missed a diff in the history. The LINKS have been deleted for non-notability, etc., which is only right. The thing is, you and others on the project keep trying to take over the page for your project, which is NOT right. The page is about the fictional OS and company, and if I have to explain one more time how fiction =/= reality, I shall be very frustrated in doing so. Also, please sign your talk posts with four tildes (~). Thank you. Nique talk 19:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, Im not too sure where you get us trying to take over the page. I have never edited this wiki article except to add a link to the bottom of the page with a description of what it is. I'm sorry if you are getting frustrated with this. I had no intentions of rewriting the entire page to "whore" this project. I understand that this article is based on the fictional operating system and I completely respect that. So, I guess if I have everyone's permission, I will write a short description of the AltimitOS.com project and a link to the site. Sorry for the signings. -- Dan Boudreau 5:45, 01 May 2007 (UTC)