Talk:Paiste

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I changed what alloy the article reports for the "201" series of cymbals to bronze as reported on paiste's web site.

If I know my Estonian right, "e" is always pronounced as /e/ in Estonian, not as /i/ (like in the English "tee"). So "pies-teh" would be a better approximation of a pronunciation, though I still don't know if English words can end in a plain /e/ sound at all. — JIP | Talk 11:03, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I believe you're correct -- this should be reflected in the article! Will make the change now.

A representative from Paiste told me it was pronounced pie-stee (rhyhming with fiesty). Unfortunately, it appears they removed this from the website. Jm51 16:59, 21 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

perfect.  :)   Pie-stee.  

Take care,

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COMMENTS: How do you properly pronounce Paiste?  is it pie-stee?

The last link, http://grassomusic.de/english/paiste.htm, is no longer available, but it can be viewed at archive.org if you disable Javascript. 69.166.229.111 06:47, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure that no Estonian would pronounce Paiste as pie-stee. If it is estonian word meaning "shine", then it end in /e/. But I'm Finnish, not Estonian, so it would be nice if somebody from our neightbour Eesti would settle this once and for all... Pie-stee is sure to be anglisism. 195.197.175.20 21:30, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The correct pronunciation is "pie-ste", where "pie" is like pie and "ste" is like Ste in Stephanie. 82.131.52.118 19:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Meg White/ Josh freese[edit]

I believe meg white should be added to the user list. also it shoould be added that joch drummed for devo and live for NIN

-NINANDNIRVANA (who forgot his password)

It seems to me the list of notable artist is overly long. I think it should be shortened and listed per genre. Any ideas?

I think the list is fine, if it were edited, what would be the criteria for inclusion? If they endorse, list them. btw I added Mikkey Dee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.115.232.65 (talk) 19:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the list is fine also. If anything, it should include more drummers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dpepper73 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Logo trouble[edit]

By now I'm pretty sure someone has noticed that there's something wrong with the logo. We should find a way to fix it.(SUDUSER)₈₅ 06:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Paiste-logo.png[edit]

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The meaning of the word "paiste" in Estonian[edit]

Just to be clear here, "paiste" definitely doesn't mean "sunrise" as the article suggests. There is a compound word "päikesepaiste" which directly means "sunshine". "Sunrise" in Estonian is "päikesetõus", the word "paiste" cannot be used as a meaning for the Sun rising in any way. Shining, yes. Rising, no. DrScummm (talk) 14:19, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

@DrScummm: when you see something like this, you can change it to make it correct. See WP:BEBOLD. If you add anything, make sure you include a source. --- Possibly (talk) 04:39, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

B8 alloy[edit]

Article currently [1] reads Paiste is also known as being the only major cymbal company to use the B8 alloy for its high end lines; although Meinl has recently[when?] introduced a line of high-end cast B8 bronze cymbals as well.

Umm, no. Paiste certainly pioneered using B8 (which they call 2002 alloy) for high end cymbals with their original 2002 and New Beat lines, but at the time and ever since their very top lines have always been richer in tin, either Sound Alloy (quickly rechristened Signature Alloy) or B20 (bell metal) or some each way. The Sound Alloy patent, coming years after the success of the 2002 series, actually explicitly claims that less than 20% tin had never previously produced a top-line cymbal! On the other hand, when the Meinl Byzance series was introduced, it was all B20 and represented a policy shift for Meinl, who had for some years previously produced only B8 cymbals as their top lines (and excellent cymbals they were too), the only one of the big four to do so to date AFAIK. The original Byzance series were B20, made in Turkey, and were still cheaper than the corresponding top Meinl B8 models of the time, made in Germany of course.

Now I don't know whether these earlier top of the line Meinl B8 cymbals were "cast" rather than prepared from sheet metal, and metallurgically it's impossible to tell, as the subsequent treatment of B8 removes all the evidence (including any difference in sound, that's why so many cymbal companies like B8 so much, and unlike any alloy richer in tin yet invented AFAIK). Nor can I remember the dates. The introduction of the Byzance series did occur at a time when Paiste were producing only Sound/Signature Alloy high end cymbals for drum kits, that much I remember. And at the time Paiste said the'd never go back to Formula 602 because Sound Formula was so much better. I remember that clearly because I had two irreplaceable Formula 602 cymbals stolen at the time, and was looking for replacements (and don't agree about Sound Formula vs 602).

How times change. I can't provide refs for any of this, but I do claim it's accurate, and our current article therefore is not. Andrewa (talk) 14:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All bronze is cast, even if eventually it ends up in a sheet, a disc, or a blob of metal.

And "New Beat" is Zildjian; GIANT BEAT is Paiste. As for B8 not being used in "top lines", the 2002 line (and previously Giant Beat) always had equal billing with the 602 line, but in the case of a brochure, someone has to go first, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FA48:6ECA:11F0:226:BBFF:FE0D:9EF (talk) 17:51, 27 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Users section[edit]

Is there any point to this section? Given the importance of Paiste in the percussion world, it's likely that almost all professional drummers and percussionists will have used Paiste instruments at some stage of their careers. --Ef80 (talk) 13:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is not. I removed it. --- Possibly (talk) 04:37, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Query about notability template[edit]

Just curious as to why this article has been marked up with the notability|Companies template. No reason was given, and I don't want to remove it in case it starts an edit war or something. KaraLG84 (talk) 22:48, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The template was added last year, with little explanation. The editor who added it is now, unfortunately, deceased. I would support its removal - in my view the company is clearly notable. Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:07, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ok. I'll remove it if it's not already been done. KaraLG84 (talk) 09:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. KaraLG84 (talk) 09:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]