Talk:Karl Klindworth

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Karl Klindworth’s cousin, Agnes Street‐Klindworth, joined him in Weimar in 1853, the daughter of Georg Klindworth (a confidant of Metternich). When mentioned at all usually that she was following Karl to take piano lessons, and she did have some slight talent though not at all at the level of some of those already there.
Alan Walker suggests, using copious but of course biased evidence, that not only her father but she was serving as a spy (the situation in Weimar was unsettled at the time, as there was a change in regime, son replacing deceased father in the court) and further and interestingly that Liszt risked his relationship with the Princess von Sayn-Wittgenstein by entering into an affair with her (his only one during his years in Weimar, I believe, but a somewhat prolonged one). (Walker, Liszt: The Weimar Years, 1848-1861, paperback Cornell University Press ed pp 209 – 224.) Thoughts?? Schissel 17:13, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)

William Mason Listed as Student[edit]

It seems misleading to represent William Mason as a student of Klindworth's when the admittedly sparse sources on Mason state that the two were simply concurrent students of Liszt, as was Dionys Prueckner. Mason's own memoirs, quite widely available online now, call Klindworth and Prueckner his "Dutzbrueder"--surely too familiar a term to use for a teacher. Alan Walker's biography of Liszt mentioned in the comment above is similarly on accord with this point. Liszt in fact recommended Klindworth to help Mason find lodgings when he first arrived at Weimar, and Mason and Klindworth lived in the same building for at least part of that time. The two were of an age with each other (Mason, in fact, a little older) and at similar stages in their careers regarding their previous studies, publications, performance debuts, etc. As there is no citation for the idea of Klindworth having been a teacher of Mason, unless one is forthcoming, I think the reference had better be removed. My apologies for not really knowing Wikipedia protocol/format in stating this. Erin Fulton, 17 December 2016.

Likewise, is there a source that confirms that Hans von Bulow was Karl's pupil (as stated in the opening paragraph). Karl and Hans were the same age and were both pupils of Liszt at the same time (often stated in the Walker - Weimar Years) which would make it very unlikely that you would call Hans a pupil, rather than a colleague of Klindworth. Sagasti silvia (talk) 12:33, 13 October 2020 (UTC).[reply]