Talk:Elisabeth of Bavaria, Queen of the Belgians

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Title[edit]

Even after reading the article, I don't know what her title was. Was she Queen of Belgium? Queen-consort or some such thing? I got here through a redirect for "Queen Elisabeth of the Belgians" which sounds a bit funny; is that a correct title for her? She married Albert before he was king; did he become king while they were married? --Andrew 01:07, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, the title of the monarch of the country is "King of the Belgians". Yes, he became king after they married, upon the death of his father. Mowens35 15:03, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Actually, Albert I became King of the Belgians upon the death of his uncle Leopold II in 1909. -- fdewaele, 19:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Page name[edit]

<removed obsolete WP:RM note, from the time when this page was still named differently> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francis Schonken (talk • contribs) 19:30, 12 September 2005 (UTC) this is her correct pre-marriage name; the renaming will cause confusion with her identically named aunt Elisabeth, Duchess in Bavaria (later Empress of Austria), but that's what the disambiguation page is for. Mowens35 15:03, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)[reply]

keep it[edit]

keep the current name, because it was her real name. Antares911 16:35, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Title[edit]

This page should be moved to Elizabeth of Barvaria as per naming conventions for queen consorts. She certainly wasn't Elizabeth of Belgium prior to marriage!--Mpokane 16:08, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I concur. Charles 03:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my, this certainly should not be "Elizabeth of Belgium". Elisabeth of Bavaria would be correct, bit there is a crowd already. How about Elisabeth Gabriele of Bavaria. Shilkanni 22:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Elisabeth of Bavaria (Belgium) might be an option... A remote one at that. Elisabeth Gabriele should be avoided. I think the best option would be Elisabeth of Bavaria (1876-1965). Charles 22:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In later life[edit]

I'm verifying information about an archival photograph of "Queen Elisabeth and her husband" attending a Holocaust memorial ceremony in a Jewish cemetery in Brussels in 1955. My questions:

Who was her husband and what was his title?
Who succeeded Elisabeth in the monarchy, and when (i.e. upon her death, or earlier -- and if the latter is the case, what was her title at the time of her death?)

Thank you for any help you can provide! -- Deborahjay 13:00, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Queen Elisabeth wasn't the Belgian monarch, she was the wife of Albert I of Belgium, who was King of the Belgians. Upon Albert's accidental death in 1934, their son Leopold III of Belgium became King, her son had to abdicate in 1950 and then her grandson (Leopold's eldest son) Boudouin became King. Elisabeth never remarried. As to her title, she was referred to as Queen for the rest of her live. --fdewaele, 19:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Her title did change a bit. As only the Queen consort of the reigning King, or the Queen regnant, is known as the Queen of the Belgians, she became known as Queen Elisabeth of Belgium upon her husband's death, while during her reign she was known Queen Elisabeth of the Belgians.--Ganchelkas (talk) 17:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page name[edit]

The current page name (Elisabeth of Bavaria (1876-1965)) is totally unwieldy. That's not not how she's referred to, except in som genealogic directories (and Wikipedia is not a genealogic directory...)

Being bold I'm going to move the page to Elisabeth (queen consort in Belgium), which I'm sure has a much higher average recognisability. --Francis Schonken 09:16, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The current title (Elisabeth (queen consort in Belgium)) is not acceptable and parenthetical disambiguation is used here on Wikipedia. Charles 17:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about "Elisabeth, Queen consort of Belgium"?--Ganchelkas (talk) 17:26, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, still not acceptable. Please see WP:NC(NT). Charles 20:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The conventions to which Charles refers specifically note that there is not unanimity on how to name the articles about past royal consorts: "There is some sentiment that this "maiden name rule" should be generalized into a convention for all past European royal consorts; however, there is limited support for doing so contrary to actual English usage." The convention also states that "it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception." I would be willing to support a move to "Elisabeth, Queen Consort of Belgium" - but I think that many editors would not do so. Noel S McFerran (talk) 03:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think the "common sense and the occasional exception" rule should apply to this article. In my opinion, anything is better than the current title with the date of birth and date of death. Perhaps we could use "Elisabeth of Bavaria, Queen consort of Belgium" to differentiate this Elisabeth of Bavaria from the other Elisabeths of Bavaria. There is already another article with a similar title: Elisabeth of Bavaria, Queen of Germany.--Ganchelkas (talk) 17:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The existance of other titles in the proposed form is not reason to move this page. If anything, according to the naming conventions, the other Elisabeth of Bavaria, German Queen, should be moved to Elizabeth of Bavaria (1227-1273) until such a time where the naming conventions are re-written. Charles 19:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Only the Americans?[edit]

I would think she might have aggravated the oppressed peoples in those countries and perhaps all freedom-loving people, but all right. 74.225.130.13 02:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Queen Elisabeth of Belgium?[edit]

Reflects her married style like Queen Mathilde of Belgium and avoids confusion with other Bavarian princesses. Encumbrance (talk) 10:31, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Elisabeth of Belgium" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

The redirect Elisabeth of Belgium has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 6 § Elisabeth of Belgium until a consensus is reached. estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:17, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]