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Disputed[edit]

See Talk:1993 Men's World Ice Hockey Championships#Disputed. --Mormegil (talk) 17:15, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2004 world cup[edit]

please refrain from adding bronze designation. The IIHF does rank them third in their tables, however the NHL does not provide a ranking at all, and in the IIHF biographical register none of the team is given a placement in the tournament. I believe it is more accurate to say "lost in semi-final" but third is okay, however there was clearly no award of any kind so a medal coloration is inappropriate.18abruce (talk) 13:24, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Page move[edit]

The 2022 World Jrs, the 2022 World Srs, maybe the 2022 Winter Olympics. It seems that Czechia is being used now, by the IIHF. Perhaps we should consider changing the title of this article to Czechia men's national ice hockey team. GoodDay (talk) 20:37, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. We should definitely use Czechia. Danda Panda (talk) 03:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Wikipedia should reflect reality. IIHF switched to Czechia in December 2021 based on the request of the Czech Ice-hockey Federation.Helveticus96 (talk) 04:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Wikipedia has the common name policy (WP:COMMONNAME), and commonly used name in ice-hockey context is now Czechia. Koristka (talk) 07:40, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. It's time to accept reality. Czechia prevails. --CzechReb (talk) 08:14, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. The official name being used in ice-hockey for that team is CZECHIA. Like FRANCE, not FRENCH REPUBLIC. Honzejk (talk) 13:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. We should do it in the case of the women's team (and junior teams) as well. It is practically the same case. IIHF uses Czechia, we can see it in TV broadcasts, makes sense to use it there. --Martin Tauchman (talk) 14:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Team name does not always match with common country name: United Kingdom - Great Britain men's national ice hockey team, Taiwan - Chinese Taipei national football team, Russia - Olympic Athletes from Russia at the 2018 Winter Olympics... so it IS thinkable to rename this, independently of Czech Republic article. At least in the infobox. Chrz (talk) 16:33, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But it could be used as an argument when we will decide on the name of the country's article. Martin Tauchman (talk) 16:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. It's high time Wikipedia accepts the short name Czechia. The name is catching on more and more and there is no way back. Sergiovision1234 (talk) 20:19, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree. The Wikipedia article for the country is Czech Republic. Wikipedia readers would be confused if the Czech Republic was called Czech Republic one place on Wikipedia and Czechia in some other places, they might think these are two separate countries. --StellarNerd (talk) 20:29, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
United Kingdom - Great Britain men's national ice hockey team. Two separate countries? And in that case there's no evident similarity like with Czech Republic and Czech-ia. Don't underestimate readers, do not give them "better, filtered and harmonized reality" just because you suspect they suck in geography. Chrz (talk) 21:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's time to change the main article as well. Czechia is here to stay, the footbal association of Czechia annonced the switch on May 24th, 2022 as well. https://facr.fotbal.cz/komunike-ze-zasedani-vv-facr-ze-dne-24-5-2022/a16419 Helveticus96 (talk) 05:18, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Admin note: Changing the name of the country-article is not an option that is on the table. This talk-page here isn't the place to discuss that article's name, and there is a moratorium on discussions of renaming that article in place for the next several months. Do not continue it here or now. DMacks (talk) 17:11, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is already used in the article about the 2022 IIHF World Championship. It will be used in the case of the next tournaments as well. Therefore, it makes sense to unify the article's name with the name used there. And I think that the best way to do that is to rename this article. Martin Tauchman (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disagree. Common name on whole of Wikipedia is set by wide discussion by WP:COMMONNAME. So unitil that is set, there's no reason to change page names. I would also like to question relevance of opinions of users Helveticus96, Koristka, CzechReb, Honzejk, Martin Tauchman and Chrz, which were publicated as part of mass raid after political group connected with Facebook page "Czechia" publicated appeal to post exactly on this discussion page posts connected for this goal. Thank you --Jaromeus (talk) 20:14, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Arguments matter, not nationality of supporters or opposers or number of editors involved in discussion. It is not a political group on FB, so there's another of your argument. Examples were given where country name and sport team name does not match and Wikipedia accepts it, so there's no need of mindless unity enforcing where it would contradict the sources. Chrz (talk) 20:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Please stay factual, no labeling of your "opponents" needed. Should Wikipedia reflect reality? I am strongly convinced, that it should be this way. Does the IIHF use Czechia? They do, so where is the problem? Football started to use Czechia as well, so make peace with it, it will not go away. Helveticus96 (talk) 16:35, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree It is the name being used by the governing body of the competitions the team enters, as agreed upon by the team itself.–uncleben85 (talk) 20:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak disagree. There is no need to hurry, why not wait until the title of the Czech Republic page is discussed again? And few comments: 1. If there can be different name for a team and a country, changing the team name ceases to be an argument for renaming the country page. 2. The football team has not changed its name yet. The current name is still used by UEFA, including recent UEFA Nations League matches and promotion of upcoming UEFA Women's Under-19 Championship. The quoted source only says that the Executive Committee has received information about the name Czechia. FromCzech (talk) 07:52, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hurry? Team name and place name are separate issues and discussions, examples were given that Wikipedia gets that.
    1. If the name is used only for sport results, it would hardly impress Wikipedia during country COMMONNAME discussion. The card is played where it belongs. Hockey name of the team for article of that team.
    The Great Britain men's national ice hockey team is the national ice hockey team that represents the United Kingdom.
    So
    The Czechia men's national ice hockey team is the national ice hockey team that represents the Czech Republic - perfectly OK, country name unaffected to please the wikigods.
    2. Soccer is expected next, but should it affect discussion about hockey? It is not expected that all sports will start using it at once (welcome to Czechia). Are we waiting for the most important ones, or the last one? Chrz (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Be advised, I'm planning on changing the article title, today. GoodDay (talk) 19:28, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And I moved it back. There is consensus above, the discussion was highly canvassed, and it wasn't a properly advertised requested move. --StellarNerd (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@StellarNerd:, you have a lot of them to undo, then. But FWIW, you're free to open up an RFC on the entire matter. I'd suggest WP:HOCKEY as the location, as this deals with only ice hockey. GoodDay (talk) 20:24, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 June 2023[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. The main conflicting arguments are WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONSISTENT (i.e., with all other titles containing "Czech Republic"). Considering the substantial policy-based arguments on both sides, there is no clear consensus to change these article to diverge from Czech Republic. (This was previously closed by reason of a 6-month WP:MORATORIUM at Czech Republic (after no consensus on moving to Czechia), but was reopened by consensus because that moratorium did not apply to other articles.[a]) (non-admin closure) SilverLocust (talk) 05:12, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

– IIHF and media do use the term "Czechia", so it's time for Wikipedia. 78.128.191.21 (talk) 12:08, 2 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 19:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The request seems premature based on current media usage. A search at newspapers.com for the date range 2022–2023 yields 122 matches for ["czech republic team" hockey] and only 9 matches for ["czechia team" hockey]. Doremo (talk) 14:22, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note that team names are usually constructed in the opposite way, so Team Canada, not "Canada Team", and Team USA, not "United States Team". Using your parameters, "Team Czechia" yields more results than "Team Czech Republic". Wracking talk! 15:03, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That syntax (postmodified rather than premodified) would imply article title moves to the form "Men's national ice hockey team Czechia", etc., which seems dubious. A search at newspapers.com for the date range 2022–2023 yields 176 matches for ["czech team" hockey], 122 matches for ["czech republic team" hockey], 37 matches for ["team czechia" hockey], 9 matches for ["czechia team" hockey], and 6 matches for ["team czech republic" hockey]. Doremo (talk) 15:18, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I misinterpreted your search. Thanks for clearing it up. That syntax wouldn't imply that at all... I linked the Canada and USA pages, look at how they're named. Wracking talk! 15:33, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the solution for Canada men's national ice hockey team is a good one. The capitalization pattern also shows how "Canada men's national ice hockey team" (and similar) are descriptive titles rather than team names. Doremo (talk) 15:37, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly; then I think it comes back to contextual common usage on whether to use Czech Republic or Czechia. Wracking talk! 15:56, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to the naming policy, the common name should be demonstrated by the majority of sources. Not matches. Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:02, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The matches at newspapers.com are sources (i.e., individual newspaper articles in which the text string matches). Maybe the word matches above was misunderstood as 'games'. Doremo (talk) 14:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But you cannot count them as independent sources (this is what the WP:COMMONNAME requires). Additionally, it is necessary to mention that there are also other types of sources than newspapers. Martin Tauchman (talk) 14:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to see why separate newspaper articles (by various journalists in various newspapers) are not independent sources. Of course there are other sources, but newspapers are one useful metric among published sources because they contain a greater quantity of sports coverage than, say, published books. Doremo (talk) 14:51, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because more than one article can come from the same publisher. And articles from one publisher cannot be considered as independent because of common naming policy. Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:56, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like quite a tenuous objection. In any case, the ratio ["czech republic team" hockey] : ["team czechia" hockey] remains 3.3 to 1 in newspapers from 2022–2023 because any theoretical effect of "from the same publisher" should affect both numbers equally. Doremo (talk) 18:20, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Prove it. Martin Tauchman (talk) 18:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Media review: I'm just listing one source per year per team name, to give an idea of what editorial decisions may be being made. Note that the team is also often referred to in prose as simply "Czechs".
Czechia
Czech Republic
Both
  • The Canadian Press per Sportsnet, 2023[8] – Czechia (10), Czech Republic (3)
  • CBC, 2023[9] – Headline uses "Czechia", speakers use "Czech Republic"
AP and Canadian Press stories are syndicated. Wracking talk! 15:57, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to update it: The Hockey News uses Czechia in 2023. [10] Martin Tauchman (talk) 20:12, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they shifted from Czech Republic in 2022 to Czechia in 2023. Wracking talk! 20:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Adding to this: the AP Stylebook does not prefer Czech Republic or Czechia, but recommends mentioning Czech Republic when using the latter term.[11] Still, in the context of hockey, AP (via ESPN) has used Czechia alone.[12][13][14][15] Wracking talk! 21:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It is widely used media (such as TSN). [16] It is also used in Wikipedia articles like 2023 IIHF World Championship, 2023 IIHF Women's World Championship, 2023 IIHF World U18 Championships, and 2023 IIHF World Women's U18 Championship. It is also the name that is shown during the broadcast. [17] Someone could argue that the country's article is called Czech Republic. But I don't see this argument as valid since we have Great Britain men's national ice hockey team and United Kingdom. WP:CONSISTENCY does not apply. And in the terms of the WP:COMMONNAME, I have already presented the Canadian broadcaster of the IIHF tournament. In the case of the United States, it was licensed by NHL Network (uses the term Czechia)[18] and ESPN + (also uses the term Czechia) [19]. In the United Kingdom, it is Viaplay UK that broadcasted the IIHF 2023 Championship. They use the term Czechia as well. [20] This company broadcasts in Ireland as well. --Martin Tauchman (talk) 16:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The IIHF has been using Czechia, for the last two or so years. GoodDay (talk) 21:21, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per use by IIHF and adoption by external sources (provided above by me and Martin Tauchman) as common name for the team. Hockey media has largely transitioned to "Czechia"; "Czech Republic" is largely used in AP syndications though AP accepts both.[21] (AP syndication may skew uncontextualized counts of "matches".) Wracking talk! 21:28, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    AP accepts both but it states that you have to use the term ‘Czech Republic’ in the story for clarification. But, as we discussed here, ‘The reality is however that both the current title [Czech Republic] and the proposed title [Czechia] are valid monikers for the article and readers are very unlikely to fail to find the article, regardless of which title prevails.’ So it wouldn't be a problem for Wikipedia to use just the term Czechia as we do it in articles I have mentioned above. Martin Tauchman (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support per above. But I wouldn't say there is a total consensus among reliable sources that use Czechia vs. Czech Republic. I think this is mainly because of international support of Czechia as shorthand came only 7 years ago in 2016. There is a majority, but I'm not confident to say consensus. Conyo14 (talk) 23:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support/Alternative Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team called Czechia. Chrz (talk) 07:24, 4 June 2023 (UTC) EDIT: At the very least, this  Czechia should be legalized and Infobox national hockey team on the right side of the article should be Name = Czechia. Men's national ice hockey team of the Czech Republic, which is called Czechia.Chrz (talk) 13:23, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Too long. Using just Czechia is better. Martin Tauchman (talk) 07:45, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    After edit: I think that it would be better to use just Czechia men's national ice hockey team and the term Czechia everywhere in mentioned articles (and following articles) to be consistent within the article. Martin Tauchman (talk) 19:24, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    There was this concern that the title of the article is just a descriptive and as such it should inherit the same name as the main article about the country. OK, in that case leave republic there, but don't use it on the places where team names are used instead. Chrz (talk) 20:33, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but I don't share this point of view as I have pointed out in the case of the United Kingdom and Great Britain men's national ice hockey team. And this team represents the United Kingdom, as it was mentioned in reliable source. And the BBC article says: ‘Officially, the team is the "Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic Team". But since 1999, the The British Olympic Association (BOA) has used the brand "Team GB".’ So I don't think that the title is in this format. Someone could also point out Chinese Taipei men's national ice hockey team and Taiwan, but Taiwan is not an internationally recognized country. (But the title still does not describe the fact that the athletes do not have to be from Taipei). Using the logic, we should also use the term Russia in cases like Russian Olympic Committee athletes at the 2022 Winter Olympics since it is connected with Russia and we would just use it for description. (Something like Russia as ROC at the 2022 Winter Olympics or just Russia at the 2022 Winter Olympics). Martin Tauchman (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose. The name of the page is directly linked to Czech Republic. When that changes, it changes everywhere. But until then, it is absurd to circumvent the result of the last discussion about the move, which ended only two weeks ago, by moving individual pages that contain the name of the country. The move here could lead to half of the pages being named Czechia and half Czech Republic, depending on which area prevails, and that's nonsense. "Czech Republic men's national ice hockey team" is the name of the encyclopedia entry, and even if the use of the abbreviated name may prevail in the media in the context of ice hockey (but only thanks to the Canadian media, where ice hockey is a religion), it doesn't outweigh the inconsistency within wikipedia and potentially making it difficult for readers to orient themselves. I see a parallel with Ivory Coast national football team, which is also consistent with the name of the country and not the name used by FIFA.
So, as it was very nicely written in the result of the move request on the country page: "The reality is however that both the current title and the proposed title are valid monikers for the article and readers are very unlikely to fail to find the article, regardless of which title prevails. I encourage editors to FOCUS on article content, quality sourcing and NPOV prose instead of the title." FromCzech (talk) 05:27, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Context based common name versus brainless mechanical unification in the name of "consistency" which does not appear in the sources. Is it descriptive title like "Czech Republic's men's national ice hockey team" which is called Czechia, or is it "Czechia: the men's national ice hockey team"? Chrz (talk) 05:38, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, in the case of the United Kingdom, it is done this way and there is no problem. We already use the term Czechia in Wikipedia articles, so it makes the situation closer to the United Kingdom – Great Britain than Ivory Coast – Côte d'Ivoire. Martin Tauchman (talk) 13:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is a big difference. Team Great Britain is so named because it represents not the United Kingdom, but only England, Scotland and Wales without Northern Ireland. Then there is the Ireland team, which represents Republic of Ireland with Northern Ireland. FromCzech (talk) 13:37, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It represents the United Kingdom. This is ice hockey. Not football. See Great Britain men's national ice hockey team. Martin Tauchman (talk) 13:59, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Football is something completely different, every part of the UK is represented separately, I don't know why you are mixing it up. But in other sports, Great Britain and All-Ireland are represented separately, or the Northern Irish can choose which team they want to represent. See Ireland men's national ice hockey team. So team naming is consistent with the entity it represents. FromCzech (talk) 18:19, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Great Britain men's national ice hockey team clearly says: ‘The Great Britain men's national ice hockey team (also known as Team GB) is the national ice hockey team that represents the United Kingdom. A founding member of the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) in 1908, the team is controlled by Ice Hockey UK.’ So it is run by Ice Hockey UK. Martin Tauchman (talk) 19:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Ireland thing is a well known fact, but you chose to believe the inaccurate wording from wikipedia, which contradicts other pages and sources, because it suits you. I don't have the strength to argue, think what you want. FromCzech (talk) 05:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that ‘Northern Irish can choose which team they want to represent’ does not contradict the fact that the team Great Britain represents the United Kingdom. Martin Tauchman (talk) 06:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: And I can also provide you a BBC article with BOA's statement that Great Britain at the Olympics represents the United Kingdom. Martin Tauchman (talk) 07:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Athletes from Northern Ireland (part of the UK) can also choose to compete as part of Team Ireland instead (though most sports in Northern Ireland are organised on an all-Ireland basis)", is said in the lead. This is the reason why the name Great Britain is used and why it cannot be used as an argument for the Czech case. FromCzech (talk) 09:08, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But ice hockey isn't the case. Belfast plays in the British league. Not Irish. See [1] and [2]. Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:09, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I can cite you from the BOA's website: ‘The British Olympic Association (BOA) is the National Olympic Committee (NOC) for Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, the Channel Islands and the UK Overseas Territories (including the Falkland Islands and Gibraltar).
As such, neither ‘UK’ nor ‘GB’ accurately describes the BOA’s remit nor would they be representative of all the territories that fall under the BOA’s jurisdiction.’ Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:15, 7 June 2023 (UTC) And here it clearly says: ‘Team GB is the Great Britain and Northern Ireland Olympic Team.’ -Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is all true. And yet, despite everything, the Northern Irish have the opportunity to represent Ireland, which is why the Great Britain team is so named in ice hockey, at the Olympics and almost everywhere, and that's why can't you use it as a parallel to the Czech team. FromCzech (talk) 12:32, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that Northern Ireland players have the opportunity to represent Ireland does not mean, that Team GB does not represent the United Kingdom. Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I would also remind this discussion where it was proved that it is possible to use a different name than the Czech Republic in the article's title. Martin Tauchman (talk) 17:13, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per FromCzech. Just an attempt to get around the failed proposal to move the country. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:34, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is not voting. Just discussion. And you have provided no evidence of your statement. Martin Tauchman (talk) 14:10, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This RM does not concern the Czech Republic article. We are discussing hockey teams. When it comes to these teams, reliable secondary sources have used "Czechia" since 2021, and we should follow them. 162 etc. (talk) 18:57, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom, and move the country page title too.--Ortizesp (talk) 06:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. In general, articles about entities pertaining to a particular country ought to use the same name for that country as the parent article, that's a simple consistency and recognizability issue. There might be occasional exceptions to that, if a deliberate attempt has been made to use a name that differs from the national common name, or if the common name of the subentity is so overwhelmingly something else that we would have to follow suit. But per Wracking's source evidence above, I don't see that as the case here, so we should retain the status quo.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:50, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    According to Wracking's comment, the majority of sources use the term Czechia nowadays. 4:1:2 (Czechia : Czech Republic : both). Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:23, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note – Prevails in media. Not even Radio Prague International uses the formal name. [23] 78.128.191.21 (talk) 13:28, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would like to point out this post written by @FromCzech:. From my point of view, it would be polite to mention it here. --Martin Tauchman (talk) 18:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: MR consensus. Orginal close was: Not moved. The moratorium on Talk:Czech Republic, which encompasses all Czech Republic to Czechia moves, is still in place until 25 November. (non-admin closure) O.N.R. (talk) 23:12, 8 June 2023 (UTC) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 19:13, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not entirely universal yet, but the IIHF use Czechia, the NHL uses Czechia, and the majority of sources use Czechia. SportingFlyer T·C 10:45, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/future-considerations-usa-players-who-could-shape-top-of-nhl-draft/
  2. ^ https://thehockeynews.com/news/world-championship-setting-up-each-quarterfinal-showdown
  3. ^ https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10060596-world-junior-hockey-championship-2023-results-semifinal-scores-and-reaction
  4. ^ https://eprinkside.com/2023/04/13/meet-the-team-czechias-2023-u18-world-hockey-championship-roster
  5. ^ https://www.sportsnet.ca/wwhc/article/czech-republic-beats-japan-in-ot-at-womens-hockey-worlds/
  6. ^ https://thehockeynews.com/news/krejci-scores-shootout-winner-czech-republic-beats-switzerland
  7. ^ https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/34000572/team-usa-drops-tough-one-world-hockey-championship-semifinals-play-czechia-next
  8. ^ https://www.sportsnet.ca/wwhc/article/czechia-advances-to-semi-finals-at-womens-hockey-worlds-with-win-over-finland/
  9. ^ https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2158731843511
  10. ^ https://thehockeynews.com/news/world-championship-setting-up-each-quarterfinal-showdown
  11. ^ https://twitter.com/APStylebook/status/1542946302761336836?s=20
  12. ^ https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/34465046/switzerland-czechia-win-openers-women-world-ice-hockey-championship
  13. ^ https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/34490155/us-snaps-five-game-losing-streak-rival-canada-5-2-win-women-hockey-world-championship
  14. ^ https://www.espn.com/olympics/story/_/id/36070848/hockey-hall-fame-new-exhibit-showcases-women-history
  15. ^ https://www.espn.com/nhl/recap?gameId=401459283
  16. ^ https://www.tsn.ca/world-juniors/event/sweden-czechia-20230104/211005
  17. ^ https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2023/wm/news/44472/svk_cze
  18. ^ https://www.nhl.com/info/nhl-network-wjc-schedule
  19. ^ https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/35306950/iihf-world-junior-championship-2023-need-know
  20. ^ https://twitter.com/ViaplaySportsUK/status/1661758798745473024
  21. ^ https://twitter.com/APStylebook/status/1542946302761336836?s=20
  22. ^ https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2023/05/25/hockey-iihf-world-championship-usa-czechia/
  23. ^ https://english.radio.cz/swiss-national-team-beats-czechia-42-iihf-world-championship-8783709
  24. ^ https://teamusa.usahockey.com/2023mensworlds

Notes

  1. ^ I do not impose any further moratorium here. Nor am I relisting, as there has only been one new comment in the 7 days since reopening.
    However, to quote the closure at Czech Republic, "The reality is however that both the current title and the proposed title are valid monikers for the article and readers are very unlikely to fail to find the article, regardless of which title prevails. I encourage editors to FOCUS on article content, quality sourcing and NPOV prose instead of the title."
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Moving closure[edit]

@Old Naval Rooftops: You are wrong. The moratorium on the Czech Republic affects the article only. Let me cite it: ‘Article is move protected for 6 months.’ It does not say anything about other articles. Martin Tauchman (talk) 23:29, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mike Cline: Can you clarify if you believe the moratorium at Czech Republic affects this article? 162 etc. (talk) 16:23, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There was no intent to protect moves on related articles. Much too complicated to attribute the Czech Republic decision to tangential articles. Each of any tangential article titles must stand on their own merit and go through a normal RM process if change is considered. Mike Cline (talk) 16:27, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Old Naval Rooftops: Please see above. I'd ask that your close of the RM be undone. 162 etc. (talk) 18:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. The provided reason is not valid. Martin Tauchman (talk) 12:18, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Majority of editors believed that context-based common name is a thing and that Wikipedia already acknowledges it by rare but existing examples. RM was about the name of article, not about a name presented after picture with flag and in infoboxes. Support for "team name" Czechia should be visible in such places. Chrz (talk) 17:31, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've politely asked for a review at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. -Martin Tauchman (talk) 17:02, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move review might be a better venue. FYI, move review requires that the closer is given a few days to respond. ONR hasn't really been active since the close and is unlikely to have seen these messages. Wracking talk! 17:09, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I have made the procedure according to Wikipedia:Closing_discussions#Challenging_other_closures. Martin Tauchman (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: He was active at 10 June. [3] Martin Tauchman (talk) 17:20, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't believe AN is the right venue. Right above the guidance you linked, it advises to use move review for moves. This is not "other closures".
ONR was not active after 162 etc. requested the undoing of the move; they have not been given a reasonable amount of time to respond to these comments or the one I left on their talk page. Let's assume good faith here. I understand that you might feel strongly about this, but circumventing intended processes won't help. Wracking talk! 17:26, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Wracking: ONR is active (as they've edited today), fwiw. GoodDay (talk) 22:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@GoodDay Thanks for the heads-up!! I'm a bit busy off-wiki right now, so I'm not able to pursue this at the moment. Maybe you (or someone else) feel like moving (ha) forward with a move review request? Wracking talk! 23:44, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps another will seek an overturn of the premature close. GoodDay (talk) 00:49, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reverted, now let's wait for the proper close. Chrz (talk) 21:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, not much better. Consistency consistency consistency.... Like sources does not matter. Chrz (talk) 16:11, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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