Talk:Joseph Cornell

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He was a Christian Scientist I think... due to stomach problems in his youth.

Most sources I find agree that he was a Christian Scientist. A few say lifelong, but most say he converted in the 1920s.--T. Anthony 09:23, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

moved from article[edit]

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Some one copied this page onto another website. Curse them!

What does the attribution "By Dhairya Virani and Joshua Burns" mean?

IF ANYONE IS DOING THE SUMMER PROJECT FOR NCN PLEASE CONTACT ME, Lee.Sykes.Is@homtail.co.uk 23.07.08 thanks Lee

Uhm.[edit]

Is someone interested in mentioning his child fetish/pedophila/ephebophila?

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I will, http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/51804#1318166 it's apparently very well known and I think it is wrong to present his shyness and fondness of children in a romantic, innocent light.

How about a little bit more support for that theory other than a testimonial on Metafilter? As near as I can tell it's all speculation. My understanding is that he liked children and young women, but he wasn't sexually interested in them and never approached anyone underage. Certainly, he was socially backwards, but he focussed on adult women his whole life. I believe he had a relationship with a female artist late in life too. I find it highly unlikely that Solomon wouldn't have published her findings due to an "uproar by the art critics and her editors." If she's said this in print, I'd like to see it verified. As it stands, this is hearsay.

http://www.newyorker.com/critics/atlarge/?030217crat_atlarge What about the New Yorker article? "There is something rapt and winsome in his appreciation of his fées; and something just a little creepy about his following them into Woolworth's." and "His friends recall that he would, with any encouragement, send lurid erotic fantasies to his fées; according to Caws, he even sent one a tracing of a string he had put around his penis to show its size.)" so even if he never bonked a kid doesn't this at least deserve mention? At least the New Yorker article (which was linked to in the now removed section) invalidates your assertion he never had sexual interest or never approached them.

I grew up across the tracks from his house, and, according to my mother, a girl I knew frequented his house quite often, but it was always on the up-and-up and never sexual. Her parents and my parents were close friends. This must have been in the late 1950s or early 1960s. Josh-Levin@ieee.org (talk) 16:02, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thirty miles from New York City in Queens?[edit]

That's quite a feat, given that A) Queens is part of New York City and B) Even to New Yorkers, for some of whom "The City" Means Manhattan below Central Park or Harlem or just Manhattan, there isn't anywhere in Queens that's more than about 12 miles away. Derp...

I grew up right across the LIRR tracks from where Joseph Cornell lived, and it was about ten miles to Manhattan. Josh-Levin@ieee.org (talk) 15:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Painted gays?[edit]

"He also painted gays?" As in homosexual people, or as in something else? This article needs some work.

The quote in question was an unsupported statement. Nowhere in any of the biographical material about Cornell can I find anything to confirm that Cornell painted pictures of any sort. In fact, he claimed not to be able to paint at all. It is for this reason that this statement was removed from the article. Shrinebox (talk) 00:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Marcel duChamp[edit]

Several years ago, I went to the Philadelphia Museum of Art, and they had a special exhibit that, as I recall, was about a collaboration between Joseph Cornell and Marcel duChamp. The latter often lived in Manhattan, and Cornell's home was a subway and bus ride away, although you could also take the Long Island Rail Road.

If anybody knows more about this than I, could you make the proper additions to the main article? Josh-Levin@ieee.org (talk) 16:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Biography sources[edit]

I don't see why the Deborah Solomon book, which is biographical, was removed from the "Biography" section and replaced with works like the Shadowplay Eterniday book, which seems to be predominantly critical rather than biographical in focus, and the Sommers/Drake book, which doesn't appear to be a scholarly source at all. Is there some reason for this? Deor 01:06, 22 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's been more than ten days, and no one has responded, so I'm going to go ahead and restore the Solomon book and delete the inappropriate ones. Deor 01:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

Would somebody who has the authority kindly review the article and remove the cleanup notice from it? The cleanup issue (about ibid. and loc. cit.) was resolved a couple of months ago at least. Thanks in advance!Shrinebox (talk) 00:42, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

One doesn't need "authority"; any user can remove such a tag when the concern has been addressed. Be bold! Deor (talk) 00:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How, please?Shrinebox (talk) 01:24, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I did, by clicking on the "Edit" or "Edit this page" tab (depending on which skin you're seeing) at the top of the article and deleting the template transclusion—in this case, {{Ibid|date=June 2010{{WikiProject Smithsonian Institution|class=|importance=|listas=|SIART=yes|SIART-importance=}} }}—where it appears in the article. Deor (talk) 12:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much, Deor! Your kind patience with (and guidance of) a "newbie" is greatly appreciated.Shrinebox (talk) 16:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Exhibitions[edit]

Perfectly good art institution gives an exhibition, no problem leaving this in it's educational information. Explain why this has been deleted...Modernist (talk) 20:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It was promotional added by MCAChicago. PTJoshua (talk) 21:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(uninvolved editor comment) It reads like it was taken right off a website and that would be a copyright problem. The information looks relevant but it should probably be rewritten. Noformation Talk 22:01, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, it's hardly the only exhibition of Cornell's work that has ever been mounted. This seems to exemplify both undue weight and recentism as well as possible promotionalism. Deor (talk) 22:21, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Travel[edit]

These two sentences are at odds with each other:

  • "Aside from the aforementioned period he spent at the academy in Andover, Cornell never traveled beyond the New York City area.[3]:xiii"
  • "In later life his bashfulness verged toward reclusiveness, and he rarely left the state of New York" Howunusual (talk) 16:47, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Improvements needed[edit]

As it stands now, the article has become rather disorganized. Various factual bits (some need sourcing) are randomly scattered about the article. As a minimum, they should be rearranged into a rough chronological order, or some other coherent pattern. Unless it is improved, the article hardly deserves a "B" rating. Reify-tech (talk) 13:38, 29 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Contradiction[edit]

The “Life” sections says:

Aside from his time at Andover, Cornell never traveled beyond the New York City area.

The “Personal Life” section says:

In later life his bashfulness verged toward reclusiveness, and he rarely left the state of New York.

Hopefully someone will make a correction to whichever one is accurate. Eicatss (talk) 05:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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