Talk:4-beat

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4-beat was an ambigous term created by DJ Seduction as an *alternative* name to happy hardcore. "House led to breakbeat hardcore, which led to Drum N Bass and 4-beat (I hate calling it Happy Hardcore) - DJ Seduction" The term didn't catch on too much. Happy hardcore meaning a form of piano breakbeat (basically a type of breakbeat hardcore).

The music relates to the kind of happy hardcore music found in England of 1994-96 only - the stuff that came from breakbeat hardcore as DJ Seduction explains. Simply 4-beat it is a breakbeat style with a kick drum. Most people see the name 4-beat and think it is a banging bass drum style (the kind of things being made in 2005) but that is not correct.

I'm unsure what to do here. Ideally this article should be in the happy hardcore article. But Happy hardcore itself is highly complex. I'd say the majority of people now into happy hardcore do not see this old breakbeat stuff as being "happy hardcore". Happy hardcore more associated with the vocal things like Shooting Star, Heart of Gold. This is likely why there was two articles created in the first place.

I don't know if happy hardcore should have different articles or somehow be all under one. Really there are different types of happy hardcore. Thoughts or inputs welcome?!

--Revolt 11:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, since '95, in England, beginning to take place something like merging (or union) 4-beat and bouncy techno (such as Sub-State - Take Me Up (Vibes & Wishdokta Remix)). As a result of bouncy techno influence, in England began to emerge tracks with a strong, more or less distorted kick drum, besides breakbeats, roughly speaking, "began to fade into the background", and became optional (in many tracks there no breakbeats).

Sample Tracks:

Ramos, Supreme, Sunset Regime – Life Force Generator

Hixxy & Sharkey - Toytown

Slipmatt – After Dark

Ravers Choice – Techno Wonderland

Bang! – Shooting Star

Force & Styles – Heart Of Gold

In this regard, there are a few questions:

Genre, to which such stuff is refer - is also a 4-beat, or not?
If it is still 4-beat, then why many tracks have no breakbeats, such as in Slipmatt - After Dark?
If it's not a 4-beat, then what name the genre? - bouncy techno? or it is Happy Hardcore in the sense Hardcore techno subgenre?

Sorry my English.--M8Ddb (talk) 21:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]