Talk:Peig Sayers

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More about the bio?[edit]

Is there something remarkable about her biography? Is it sad, happy, adventures, sentimental, what focus?

It is core reading for generations of youth :)

Perhaps note could be made of how she was sent to school even as a young girl, because her mother was weakened from many years of pregnancy...

Sad is understating it - depressing is a lot closer! Autarch 20:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

question[edit]

quote: "Peig was illiterate, but dictated many of her stories to Seosamh Ó Dálaigh of the Irish Folklore Commission and Dr. Robin Flower of the British Museum."

I thought she was literate in English but not in Irish, and dictated her stories to her son. EamonnPKeane (talk) 13:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't comment on the "illiterate" bit, but Peig dictated to many people. There is no conflict in the quote above. She dictated much of the folklore and stories that are referenced in Machnamh seanmhná to the folklorists AND her son, and much of the content for Peig to her son, (Mícheál Ó Gaoithín, Micheal O'Guiheen, Maidhc File). I don't think that there is anything in what is included in the sentence above that is self conflicting or incorrect. Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 20:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI - Máire Ní Chinnéide is often referenced as the "author" of Peig. Not Maidhc. This is largely because, while Maidhc "recorded" the stories, Ní Chinnéide wrote them down, editted them, and saw them published. Similarly, while Maidhc recorded the stories that were ultimately published in Machnamh seanmhná, Peig herself is credited as "author", with Séamus Ennis as "translator", and Pádraig Ua Maoileoin & Máire Ní Chinnéide with additional pub/editing credits. The folklore commission and British Museum types that recorded Peig's stories published, but not with a focus on Peig entirely. Mr. Flower for example (as a "Celticist") published on the Irish/Blasket tradition's of storytelling and poetry in general. Again, there's nothing in any of this that impacts the accuracy of what we have in the article. (And in a way, including it would just confuse matters.) Guliolopez (talk) 20:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Book[edit]

It doesn't really make it clear in the opening paragraph what she is most famous for (her book, Peig) or the fact that it's written in Irish - which is probably the most important aspect considering it's the first thing most Irish people would think of. --Tuzapicabit (talk) 18:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

I have suggested that An Old Woman's Reflections be merged into this article because the book is apparently not notable enough for its own wikipeida article apart from the context of this article. -- Mikeblas (talk) 00:29, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support: The Old Woman's Reflections article is a badly-written and bitty stub that doesn't stand on its own feet. It contains such silly statements as "the story is of monumental simplicity", "collecting turf for roots" (which is meaningless), and the book "has been accused of scarring a whole generation of young Irish people" (it merely bored children). This should be absorbed into the main article about Peig. I have rewritten the stub to purge the most daft text. --174.16.17.42 (talk) 22:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)go[reply]

Is é Peig: A Scéal Féin an leabhar a bhí ar shillobas an Ardteistiméarachta ó na 60í go dtí na90í. Is leabhar eile de chuid Pheig é Machtnamh

Article An Injustice to Sayers[edit]

Unfortunately the article gives no hint of why Sayers' stories fascinated generations of folklorists and ordinary readers, which they did; and by the way, not ALL those schoolchildren who were required to read her works were bored. The article is a slack, lazy piece of work whose author was not perceptive enough to see that those who dismissed Sayers work as "boring", or old-fashioned, now seem far more dated than her timeless stories.

I'm baffled at the shallowness of those who are offended because a woman who lived a very hard life, in dark and bitter times, sometimes said as much in her stories. Would they have preferred it if she lied? Younggoldchip (talk) 21:36, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your sentiment however the wikipedia rules say one needs to find a published instance of someone sayiing so before it can go in the article. 86.166.75.231 (talk) 19:47, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dates please?[edit]

Checking the Irish 1901 and 1911 censuses online, and there are no "Ó Guithín"s listed in Kerry. Could someone add her year of marriage to him? The 1901 census lists a 26-year-old Margaret Sayers at Drumquin, unmarried, who however could read and write in Irish and English. Come someone point us researchers in the right direction please?78.16.95.94 (talk) 12:51, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]