Talk:Government of Ukraine

People, I think we should work out the criteria for internallinking of the Ukrainian politicians, i.e. for starting their personal pages. Do we really need Kryvobokov, Shandra and Zvarych in the English=global Wikipedia? I mean other nations should not laugh at our egocentric over-reporting. May be we should have few dozens pages for indeed internationally-important people, and a big list fo others? What are the WP guidelines for that?AlexPU

I cannot subscribe to your opinion. I don't think we should devise any criterion to divide Ukrainian politicians (as well as any other individuals) into those who are "worth" and those who are "not worth". Every person counts, including the last "bomzh".

Second, I don't care and am rather skeptical that anyone should, in principle, care whether "other nations" laugh or not. I sometimes heard from Ukrainian citizens, "We, Ukrainians, are a modest nation. We won't publicize Holodomor." Forget about it! We, as a dying out and relatively small nation, are playing a complicated survival game in the world economy and politics. Information aspect must be an integral part of the survival strategy.

Modesty is suicide. No one would care unless we literally make them care. Take the example of Holocaust. We must seriously study and follow the clever and praiseworthy information strategy of the Jewish nation. Orange revolution is an opportunity that happens once in a century. Either exploit its potential, or die.

Sashazlv 16:13, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Quite reasonable notes, Sasha. My new idea is to put such important/unimportant lists on the talk pages instead of articles. I mean we're extremely short of qualified contributors (like you) so we should somehow guide their efforts to the priority persons. E.g., somebody did Kryvobokov, but nobody actually mentioned Cassette Scandal on Moroz' page. Давайте сили не розпорошувати? Such priority lists may be a part of a special Wikiproject concentrating on Ukrainian politics. The extreme way of setting the priorities is the confidential e-mail briefings. Pryvit, AlexPU

Makes sense. Just compile the list of priorities to get an idea what needs to be done. Do you know whether there is a way to get how many users viewed a given page in Wikipedia? I examined their statistics page and there is nothing similar to that (or, at least, I couldn't find it). Maybe, it's just too resource consuming to track every single page. However, given the deficit of contributors, I wouldn't want to spend a lot of time expanding the Constitution of Ukraine page if hardly anyone views it. Sashazlv 00:20, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Moving criteria discussion to [[Talk:Category:Ukrainian politicians]].

As for the statistics, Sasha, you've got it! That is what I always wanted to know! As a politics related guy, I'm used to rely on some kind of polls in addition to my intuition. Such view counters would significantly optimize the efforts of the systematic writers like us. I mean I could write hundreds of articles (mostly factual and not only Ukraine-related) if I freaking had enough time. Knowing readers demand would ease the choice dramatically! We should raise this question on the highest Wiki level. So people, on what page do you think we can do it? Michael?

About the Constitution, I think the politics-oriented overview would be the best decision for now. Best wishes, AlexPU

I suspect that statistics aren't available in Wikipedia at least partly by design. I think it's desirable that people work on articles that they think are significant, and won't be dissuaded because the subject will get only .0000001 percent of the hits.

I wouldn't purposely omit any politicians. It's okay to leave red-linked names, and maybe someone else will start an article. Tiny stubs are fine, too, even if they just identify the subject in one sentence. Sometimes that's all someone needs to know when they type the name into the search box. It's all encyclopedic, and it may be significant to someone in a different context from us (e.g., someone studying local politics of the Piddupka raion centre).

That said, it's still valuable for each of us to prioritize our work and co-ordinate group efforts. I spend too much time jumping around, formatting, and responding to others' edits, and do very little concerted writing. —Michael Z. 2005-02-20 16:54 Z

Nominations in Fain?[edit]

On June 26, 2009 Prime Minister Tymoshenko nominated Oleksandr Klymenko for coal minister, Mykhailo Zgurovsky and Yuriy Liubonenko for vice premiers, Fedir Yaroshenko for finance minister, Tariel Vasafze for transport and communications minister, and Viktor Shemchuk for justice minister. What ever happend to these dudes? Klymenko didn't become coal minister cause Poltavets recalled his letter of resignation, the other nominations where never considered by Parliament? — Mariah-Yulia • Talk! 21:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Party Of Regions to reduce size of civil service if it forms next Cabinet of Ministers[edit]

I case it forms the next Cabinet of Ministers lets see if they keep there word. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 13:11, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In particular the opinion that there are too many deputy ministers and that the optimum number of deputy prime ministers should be 4-5. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 13:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In case second Tymoshenko Government survives vote of no confidence[edit]

Because OU-PSD ready to dismiss government only after creation of new coalition? — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 09:03, 3 March 2010

For the record: it did not survive the vote (see: Second Tymoshenko Government). — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 12:47, 4 March 2010

In case proposed changing the law on the formation of a majority coalition on Mar. 4, 2010 are put in place[edit]

This and this reference can be used. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 12:45, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Petro Poroshenko is nominated as Minister of Trade and Economic Development while Yuri Kolobov is in running for the post of Finance Minister[edit]

See here and here. In my book that means they are not yet apointed... No matter what the Party of Regions says.... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 19:07, 23 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently there are three candidates for finance minister. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:45, 24 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Appointment and dismissal[edit]

The current article gives the idea that the Prime Minister appoints Ministers and then seeks to get the parliaments (=Rada) approval for that; while it seems to be the President per presidential decree (with the Rada seems to have no say in this however). On October 1, 2010 the Constitutional Court of Ukraine recognized the constitutional amendments of 2004 illegal was the appointment of Ministers per Prime Minister + Rada approval one of these constitutional amendments that now is defunct? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 16:48, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Confusion between government-cabinet[edit]

It is not right to confuse the entire government with cabinet. Are distinct issues. Also the Government of Ukraine use the Coat of arms of Ukraine. Don't use the seal of the cabinet. --IM-yb (talk) 13:23, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the government, which is formally called the "Cabinet of Ministers". The membership of the government is listed here. RGloucester — ☎ 17:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If we put the button GOVERNMENT ACTIVITY, we can see all the activities of the government (Cabinet meetings and Governmental Committees). Cabinet meetings are not the government. Is only a (important) activity of the government. --IM-yb (talk) 12:31, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's correct, but the body itself is called the "Cabinet of Ministers". RGloucester — ☎ 17:19, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]