Talk:KGB

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On 3 May 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Committee for State Security (Soviet Union). The result of the discussion was not moved.

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Confusing intro[edit]

The intro paragraph seems to have become hopelessly edited-by-committee. The 2005 version https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=KGB&oldid=17734506 gave a succinct summary of what the KGB was and its founding & end. The current version is a set of random, disjoint facts that do not serve as an introduction. Any objections to a revert of the intro paragraph to roughly the 2005 version, and a move of the disjoint facts (South Ossetia's KGB spinoff, etc) down into the article? -- Dreadengineer (talk) 06:18, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling error?[edit]

Shouldn't "Комитет Государственной Безопасноти" in the sidebar be "Комитет Государственной Безопасности"?

Vladmir Putin[edit]

Is it worth mentioning Putin's name in this article?Dogru144 (talk) 00:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think he was senior enough.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:09, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 3 May 2024[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KGB → Committee for State Security (Soviet Union) – The article's naming convention is inconsistent with the rest of Wikipedia, for example:

Hell, even the other KGBs are have a different naming convention. Leonard LMT (talk) 00:39, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per overwhelming WP:COMMONNAME. In English, it is almost everywhere known and referred to simply as "KGB". Walrasiad (talk) 05:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With that logic we need to move Central Intelligence Agency and Federal Bureau of Investigation to CIA and FBI.

Why does WP:COMMONNAME only apply to KGB and NKVD? Leonard LMT (talk) 06:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No we don't. And not comparable. "Central Intelligence Agency" is common. And "CIA" is an acronym for "Central Intelligence Agency". "KGB" is an acronym for "Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti", not "Committee for State Security". Walrasiad (talk) 15:04, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ministry of State Security (China) uses the acronym MSS rather the acronym Guójiā Ānquán Bù, the National Intelligence Service (South Korea) uses the acronym NIS rather than the acronym for RR GJG so that argument doesn't really work. Leonard LMT (talk) 21:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Per MOS:ACROTITLE, consensus could decide if an acronym could be used in the page title "if the subject is known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject". In this particular case, the alternative that the OP proposes, "Committee for State Security", is not a very common name used in most English language reliable sources, so it is better to leave the page title as it is, unless there is another comparative WP:COMMONAME. The other articles that the OP mentions has not gained MOS:ACROTITLE consensus yet (Central Intelligence Agency is currently cited as one example in that guideline). Zzyzx11 (talk) 08:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nearly every other similar agency does not follow WP:COMMONNAME and I am willing that the articles that I listed don't always fall under MOS:ACROTITLE, even if a consensus was made. Leonard LMT (talk) 08:45, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above. No brainer here; even if you think we're being "inconsistent" somehow, WP:IAR applies. It is all the more understandable what is being referred to when this article is called "KGB" than when it is called (the unheard-of) "Committee for State Security".—indopug (talk) 11:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can also use WP:IAR for my argument. Leonard LMT (talk) 20:56, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You could also use WP:IAR to move it to Комитет государственной безопасности, but neither is helpful to the average reader who only knows it by "KGB". --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Britannica. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:19, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Common name can be a full name (as in the examples above), but it can be also an acronym, as in this case. Same for Cheka and NKVD. My very best wishes (talk) 15:41, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not analogous to American agencies because KGB is overwhelmingly more common than "Committee for State Security" or "Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti" in English, something that cannot be said for CIA and such. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per WP:ACROTITLE: Acronyms should be used in a page name if the subject is known primarily by its abbreviation and that abbreviation is primarily associated with the subject (e.g. NASA; in contrast, consensus has rejected moving Central Intelligence Agency to its acronym, in view of arguments that the full name is used in professional and academic publications). In general, if readers somewhat familiar with the subject are likely to only recognise the name by its acronym, then the acronym should be used as a title. I would guarantee that the vast majority of English-speaking readers would have no idea what the "Committee for State Security" is, but are familiar with the KGB. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:27, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.