Talk:Erotic art in Pompeii and Herculaneum

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Venus[edit]

You could use some extra information here to describe what is going on in the picture. May be add some detail about the picture- the background, theme, significance,etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prabh3356 (talk • contribs) 03:49, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Notes[edit]

From here:

"The plague of religion"
In 1819, an anonymous Neapolitan priest wrote of the collection to King Francis I: "Your Majesty, this room is the plague of religion. It is a hell which corrupts the morals of the chastest, most religious and holiest people." The king ordered the objects locked away.

This is in contradiction to the other story, that about Francesco visiting the exhibit with his family and being embarrassed about the erotic art. I have not found any further confirmation for this story, can someone else shed any light on it? If true, it should be included in the article, and possibly the two different stories can be explained somehow. --Eloquence 00:00 Nov 16, 2002 (UTC)

TO DO:


Why, exactly, are these images here? I mean, can't we just talk about them and then have links to them? Or maybe I'm just prudeish...

Linking to images has lots of disadvantages, some were already 404 when I edited the article. Furthermore, I am not aware of any complete online collection of these images, so I'm trying to build one here, with the highest quality versions possible. I'll try to do the same for the non-erotic images, but I find the erotic ones more interesting. --Eloquence 16:05 Nov 16, 2002 (UTC)
If you can put together a good collection of (PD) photos not availible elsewhere or at least not in one place, I think that would be a good resource. However I'd suggest that perhaps only one image or a couple of representative samples be on the main article page to prevent it from loading slowly, and the other images be on a seperate page or pages. -- Infrogmation
I disagree, this is already a separate page from the main Pompeii article. No need to separate it even further. I think these images are more than old enough to be PD :-) --Eloquence 16:46 Nov 16, 2002 (UTC)
While the works of art themselves are certainly PD, the photographs of them are not necessarily, and in fact, likely not. Whatever museum owns the paintings probably has rights to reproductions of them.

If it was covered with plaster in the 18th century, and not discovered until 1998, how did King Francis see it in 1819? -phma

These are separate incidents. It's unclear which excavation team covered the Priapus fresco, other archaeologists apparently not quite as modest. --Eloquence 04:35 Nov 17, 2002 (UTC)

In an edit comment "Nilmerg (fix link - but am I the only one who thinks this page is somewhat - extensive?)".

Maybe once it has every erotic image from Pompeii it'll be sufficiently extensive. Providing comprehensive coverage is good, even if it means we end up with related pages to hold some of the content. Jamesday 16:05, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

That quote...[edit]

If anyone is looking for some tender love in this town, keep in mind that here all the girls are very friendly - does anyone know the original text? Shinobu 04:59, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Roman Sex[edit]

Glancing through Roman Sex (ISBN 0810942631), I read that phalluses were used for good luck, and the thermae pictures (unlike the brothel ones) are actually of taboo sex acts, not a representation of Roman sexual freedom. --Error 01:53, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Phalluses played an important role in warding off the evil eye. As a general rule the larger the phallus, the more effective a counter it was. Priapus was also a god of fertility, hence possibly his popularity. J Clarke in Looking at love making is very good on the subject. He also argues that the pictures in the lupanar are not a point and choose guide but rather a kind of idealisation of sex far removed from the rather grimmer reality of the day to day buisness of the brothel. Having looked at the pictures myself, I am inclined to agree with him. They fail to show the expected variety of positions, especially if you compare them to the pictures in the suburban bath house.

18th century????[edit]

That cannot be Neither BC nor AD

You are right. Someone vandalized the lead on May 10th, and it wasn't caught until now. I've restored it. Dsmdgold 13:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

herm -> herma[edit]

I *think* this is pointing to the right place now.. herm is clearly not what was meant. Perel 03:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at Lovemaking: Constructions of Sexuality in Roman Art, 100 B. C.-A. D. 250[edit]

This article would greatly benefit from the discussion provided in John R. Clarke (1998). Looking at lovemaking: constructions of sexuality in Roman art, 100 B. C.-A. D. 250. Berkeley: University of California Press. ISBN 0-520-20024-1. - JNB 19:54, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Images to be added[edit]

This page collects erotic images of paintings and objects in Pompeii of comparably low quality. These are often not yet fully restored (and may never be), or have not been at the time the photos were made, or are relatively bad scans, or low resolution. If you have higher quality versions of any of these images, please remove the low quality version and add the high quality version to the Erotic art in Pompeii page.

  • Fresco of Priapus, from the entryway of the largest Pompeii brothel
    Fresco of Priapus, from the entryway of the largest Pompeii brothel
  • Fresco from the largest Pompeii brothel. It is unclear whether the images on the walls were advertisements for the services offered or merely intended to heighten the pleasure of the visitors.
    Fresco from the largest Pompeii brothel. It is unclear whether the images on the walls were advertisements for the services offered or merely intended to heighten the pleasure of the visitors.
  • Fresco from the largest Pompeii brothel
    Fresco from the largest Pompeii brothel
  • Fresco from the largest Pompeii brothel
    Fresco from the largest Pompeii brothel
  • Fresco from the largest Pompeii brothel
    Fresco from the largest Pompeii brothel
  • Fresco from the largest Pompeii brothel. This picture has elicited much interest, because it contradicts the popular male customer / female client notion.
    Fresco from the largest Pompeii brothel. This picture has elicited much interest, because it contradicts the popular male customer / female client notion.
  • Fresco from a Pompeii sleeping room
    Fresco from a Pompeii sleeping room
  • Erotic fresco
    Erotic fresco
  • The three graces, a popular motif to the present time
    The three graces, a popular motif to the present time

It seems that there are erotic pictures in two places: a brothel and underground thermae. The thermae images are more transgressive and it has been suggested that it was no brothel. Could you identify which of the images is from a brothel and which from the thermae? --Error 02:10, 9 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

unmatched reference[edit]

The second paragraph makes a reference to "schofeld, page 134" but the actual reference is not listed. Anyone got any idea? Manning (talk) 19:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Gender query[edit]

Mention is made of "Maritimus licks your vulva for 4 As. He is ready to serve virgins as well." Presumably then there were male prostitutes for female clients in Pompeii also?

194.46.234.199 (talk) 00:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably then there was a bit of kidding between men also?2A02:AA1:1020:E2D1:DCEC:18D7:6FC1:79D1 (talk) 21:58, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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New Edits to Venus section[edit]

Hello, I am a student editor and I plan on expanding the Venus section with information about wall art in Pompeii. JNRM Student (talk) 22:58, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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