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User:Rogper (13/11/3); ends 18:00, 19 May 2004 (UTC)[edit]

I'm nominating myself so that I can get those extra rights administrators have (removing own pictures, editing locked texts for interlinking, etc.) I'm administrator on the Swedish wikipedia, and have been an active Wikipedian writer since 12:47, 29 Sep 2003 under my nickname. See User history. Thank you, Rogper 18:00, 12 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Extensions. I'm consider myself "generally a known and trusted member of the community.". I have not been in conflicts with other users and consider myself having familiarity with policies and procedures. Thank you for your support.
Note2. I'm an admin on the sv.wikipedia.org and decided to candidate by myself partly due to my translation of the wikipedia policy to the Swedish language, and this time I decided to self-nominate because of problems doing interlinking on locked pages.
P.S. I'm not angry of UninvitedCompany by his dictator methods of removing me before the election period was over. But if you feel for compensating me, I would be glad. :-) D.S.
/Thanks in advance!
Rogper | &#9998

Support:

  1. Dpbsmith 16:37, 13 May 2004 (UTC) Changing my vote to "support." Rogper's answers seem adequate to me. His Swedish contributions are at [1] and he seems to have about 3000 edits and to have been quite active since Sept. 2003. I don't understand any Swedish at all, but I didn't see any patterns that looked like edit wars or anything like that. Rogper needs to understand, work around, and help us to work around, the limitations of his command of English. First, he needs to be alert for possible social miscommunication, which may have happened with his initial request. Second, if he personally needs to rewrite or add whole sentences or paragraphs in English-language articles, he should alert someone who can help smooth out any problems in his English writing, which is clear and easy to understand, but not up to the standards people expect in an English-language encyclopedia. In some cases maybe he could put his rough draft in the Talk page, then let someone else move it into the main page. I'd be glad to be one of the people he can call on for such assistance. Dpbsmith 16:37, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  2. His self-introduction is just misunderstood, as far as I can tell from his explanations below: He wants to remove his own incorrect pictures, and edit non-controversial locked-up pages (in order to do interlink). Everybody just got all paranoid when seeing the words "remove" and "locked"! Relax!
    He sounds sincere and has a weird sense of humour. I don't think he's harmful. As regards to his competency, he really is an admin from the Swedish WP. If the Swedes can entrust adminship in him, we can do! Despiting having their bodies frozen from August to March in snow, I'm sure the Swedes nevertheless possess high standards like we do too, as long the permafrost haven't advanced to their cerebrums. ;-) --Menchi 19:25, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Den fjättrade ankan 21:38, 13 May 2004 (UTC) He is a trusted member of Swedish Wikipedia.[reply]
  4. ugen64 00:51, May 15, 2004 (UTC)
  5. I now understand Rogper's reasons. I have reviewed his work in this and the Swedish versions. Kingturtle 01:39, 15 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support strong! Please ignore the fools below who obviously doesn't know what they are talking about. BL 04:32, May 16, 2004 (UTC)
    • BL, you're allowed to have strong opinions, and I'm very willing to admit that I may be wrong about Rogper, basing my vote on a limited number of interactions, but I would appreciate (as would the other opposing votes, I think) not being called a fool. Tell us why you support Rogper in the hopes of changing our minds, or simply say you support him (as you have done), but don't abuse us, please. Jwrosenzweig 16:19, 17 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Cribcage 04:39, 16 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Lst27 22:23, 16 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support, good contributor to the WP community.Beelzebubs 00:46, 17 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Support --[[User:Ævar Arnfjör<eth> Bjarmason|Ævar Arnfjör<eth> Bjarmason]] 19:49, 2004 May 17 (UTC)
  11. Support --Avala 13:12, 18 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Seems particularly trustworthy to me, why do we need to vote on admins from other wikis? Sam [Spade] 00:21, 20 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Fuzheado 03:40, 20 May 2004 (UTC) - support. His motives are altruistic and seems something was lost in the translation on "locked texts."[reply]

Oppose:

  1. Tεxτurε 19:25, 12 May 2004 (UTC) - I will not support any nomination for a user who wants to "edit locked texts". Admins do not have the right to edit protected pages. Nothing in your nomination suggests a legitimate reason for you to exercise admin capabilities.[reply]
  2. Misterrick - It seems in my opinion that Rogper is looking for more of a power trip then to be a productive admin. 00:13, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  3. BCorr|Брайен 23:46, May 12, 2004 (UTC) - I agree with the above comments, and I'm also concerned about edits like this one to History of Russia.
    • What do you think is wrong? The text I added was not intended to be "patriotical" or give "credits" to Swedes. No, I like to know what the various contries' names in Europe means. For samoyedes, evenks, etc., which should almost be considered an own country although a part of Russia, it is written what it means. Why can't we do it for Russia then? // Rogper 15:51, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  4. 172 02:57, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  5. I believe that the English Wikipedia has a different culture and different norms than most of the other MediaWiki projects due to its size and longer history. While I can understand Rogper's frustration with being unable to add interlanguage links to protected pages, there are in fact fewer protected pages in the English Wikipedia than there are admins here who would be willing to add such links if notified of the need. UninvitedCompany 21:47, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
    • Usually I don't have the energy to take it up further, e.g. asking on the Village Pump to remove a wrong named image previously uploaded by myself, etc. // Rogper 22:16, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Agreeing with Angela -- I'm sure he's done good things for the Swedish WP, but I'd like to see a little more familiarity with en. practices and policies first. Jwrosenzweig 22:36, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Oppose, not real reasons.--Ryan B. 00:26, 15 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Not enought time on Wikipedia and not good enough reasons for seeking an adminiship. Power hungriness is no real reason, as stated above, to become a administrator. ChrisDJackson
  9. Oppose. I have concerns about his motivations for wanting to be an admin, and I'm not certain his English is good enough to be effective. Personally, I also cannot stand it when people being voted upon come here and nitpick and respond to every critique. Let us vote without these sorts of distractions. Although it's not against the rules to do so, it's enough to tip my hand to Oppose in cases such as this one. My vote, my choice to feel that way. Moncrief 03:08, May 18, 2004 (UTC)
  10. I agree with Moncrief, fluency in English is important. For example, I should never be an admin on the French Wikipedia because my less than fluent command of French would cause far too many misunderstandings and mix-ups. --"DICK" CHENEY 23:59, 19 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Jiang 00:41, 20 May 2004 (UTC) unless we change our policy to automatically grant adminship to admins of other wikipedias, this should be no exception to the rule. He can post a note on the article talk pages if the need is present to add interwiki links. --Jiang 00:41, 20 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral:

  • I'm leaning toward oppose, but I have to say we might all be a little paranoid -- especially if Rogper is an admin elsewhere. After all, there are plenty of people who might want to be admin to be able to edit the main page (a locked text), though I admit it's generally a bad thing to do. But perhaps we could ask Rogper nicely instead of assuming bad faith. :-) And BCorr, the edit to Russia doesn't look horrible to me at first glance -- what do you find objectionable? Jwrosenzweig 23:52, 12 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nothing sinister -- its just "messy" and unclear and has typos, which isn't a sin by any means, but leads me to wonder a bit about the judgment of someone who's willing to make such edits to the opening paragraph of an article as important as that one, and is a contributing factor to my opposition. (And I haven't tried to clean it up yet because I'm not sure what to leave in -- if anything). BCorr|Брайен 23:57, May 12, 2004 (UTC)
      • Sorry, but I think I have a good english, sometimes. :-) (N.B. Thou, my English teacher didn't think so.) I can't currently come up with English terms in medivæl times for Novgorod, Kieve and Polatsk. I wrote the Swedish ones, hoping that someone other would know it. I like to read the meaning of different countries names, e.g. what russia or england might possible mean. Note: I'm not claiming that Sweden built up Russia, and I consider Rus' (people) not the place to write about Gardariki; I'm not after crediting Sweden if it was that you thought! :-) // Rogper 15:51, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
    • On Swedish wikipedia, I started to set-up so that everybody could edit the main page, administrator or not, by using the MediaWiki features like {{msg:feature}}. NOTE THIS IS A VERY FUNNY JOKE. If you don't give me adminship I will vandalize the main page because I have authority to do that!!! END VERY FUNNY JOKE :-) //Rogper 15:51, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
      • It was wise of you to put in the capital letters and the smiley. However, even native English speakers sometimes have difficulties communicating humor and irony online. When I read your VERY FUNNY JOKE, even with the capital letters and smiley, I find that I am only 99.9% sure that you are joking. Dpbsmith 17:05, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
        • Nota bene: Everybody can indirectly edit the Main Page, there was my point in the joke. // Rogper 20:46, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

*I went to User history as suggested. But when I clicked on "hide minor contributions" there wasn't very much left... and when I started looking at the ones that weren't minor, they didn't seem very substantial. Aquatic and environmental engineering, which he created, is just a stub. Etymological_list_of_U.S._states is nice. I'd think I'd have to say that Rogper really didn't put his best foot forward in making his request. Dpbsmith 00:38, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

    • Hey, I think you have wrong here. Is a huge work as an editor a pre-requist for an adminstratorship? Where is this rule, i.e. can you point me to that link where it is written? I'm doing much work on Swedish wikipedia, and therefore, there is smaller work here. But when I find topics I know that don't exists, I create them, e.g. Etymological_list_of_U.S._states, 11 March, 2004 Madrid attacks (a populare article, which I started in another article title), Reis' telephone, etc.
      • No, huge work as an editor is not a prerequisite, but it makes it harder for me to judge how you work if there isn't much to look at. Dpbsmith 16:37, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
  • His request probably stems from a post he made on Village Pump, in which he wanted to add an interwiki link to Swedish Wiki onto a protected page. Considering that he mostly frequents the Swedish wiki, we should probably cut his phrasing a little slack as well - don't assume English is his first or best language. Snowspinner 00:44, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for your correct observations and politeness. :-) Yes, I'm not English but I'm trying my best in writing correct grammar and spelling. Rogper
      • I'm sure your English is better than my Swedish. :) Angela. 22:32, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • In response to Texture's comment: there are lots of protected pages that sysops can edit, including the Main Page, most of the MediaWiki namespace, and pages that basically don't need any editing other than the addition of interlanguage links, such as Wikipedia:Copyrights. For information, Rogper has made 743 edits, including edits to approximately 336 different articles. I'd like to know what he means by "removing pictures" before I vote, and whether he understands the deletion policies on the English Wikipedia. Angela. 07:07, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I was joking I would vandalize the main page since everybody have the authority to do so. Hope everybody see it as a joke. :-) Thank you people that will support me. // Rogper 15:54, 13 May 2004 (UTC) P.S. My point (with the joke) is that you don't need any adminship to change the Main Page, and I guess all admins on English wikipedia know that. (This is not a response for Angela's comment.) D.S. // Rogper 18:53, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
    • Restating: I want to remove the pictures I have uploaded, if I need to. There are various resons, e.g. re-naming the article title can only be done by remove and re-uploading the image, or if the picture does not belong on Wikipedia it needs to be removed. Again, I'm not planning to vandalize! // Rogper 18:53, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
      • Rogper, I think you need to spend more time getting familiar with our policies. An image can not just be deleted "if the picture does not belong on Wikipedia". It needs to go through WP:IFD even if you are the uploader of that image. I suggest you look at the administrators' reading list and apply again in a month or so. Angela. 22:32, May 13, 2004 (UTC)
        • Well, all should be updated with recent Wikipedia Policy, and this include me as well as all already existing admins. Note that, and this is not intent for you Angela, not all images shuld be put on WP:IFD. And besides this; some "image listers" state they already deleted some images, but are unsure what to do with the rest. (Those who suggests images for deletion has not created them by themself, mainly.) If I upload a file called "Jojk.jpg", and deduce later that it should be called "Yoik.jpg", then I have the rights - without any village pump discussion at IFD or elsewhere - to remove Jojk.jpg and upload it as Yoik.jpg (See naming conventions.) // Rogper 13:36, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Comments and questions

  • Can you explain what locked texts you want to edit? Kingturtle 22:15, 12 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
    • I wanted to edit an interwiki link (see sample question), where the text was locked. However, I have had this problem before and at that time I didn't have the energy to take it up further, thus the wikipedia had to suffer. I consider myself trustable and feels somewhat offended by this huge scepticism about me beeing an administrator. I'm not after vandalizing !, and why can there be inactive administrators having authorizations, and not me who is active? I'm doing much of work on the Swedish wikipedia, therefore my most contributions to the English project usually involves interwikifying. (Those few topics I know that don't exists, I create.) Rogper 15:51, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
    • And what pictures you want to remove? Dpbsmith 00:49, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
      • I want to remove the pictures I have uploaded, if I need to. There are various resons, e.g. re-naming the article title can only be done by remove and re-uploading the image, or if the picture does not belong on Wikipedia it needs to be removed. Again, I'm not planning to vandalize! // Rogper 15:51, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ok, I believe you. And I understand your desire. What is your username in the sv.wikipedia.org? Kingturtle 01:35, 15 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
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