Talk:BBC Red Button

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"21 seconds to load" Ambiguous and as work has been done to improve speeds the "takes 21 seconds to load" is not only wrong but also impossible to quantify as 'speed' on BBCi would be different on the 3(4) platforms - on digital satellite ? freeview (dtt) or on dcable (telewest or NTL ?)

In addition, different models of receiver are faster or slower than others - a 1998 Pace BSkyB 2100 is going to take maybe a minute+ to load the o-code for BBCi, but a 2005 Pace DS430N can do it in under five seconds. Same would go for old slow ONDigital boxes and brand new ones with MHEG5. --Kiand 14:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Adding link to BBC Internet blog Red Button area[edit]

Hi - I am the social media executive for BBC Online. Would it be possible to add a link to the BBC Red button area on the BBC Internet blog to the related links section of this article?

Here's the link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/red_button/

Incidentally the top link in the related links section is broken.

Thanks

Nick Reynolds —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.185.150.250 (talk) 09:14, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And if he was who he said he was, why ask on here for changes to be made on his site!!!! --Keith 12:28, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:BBCi (logo).gif[edit]

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Brand name[edit]

I see the page has jumped around between BBC Red Button and BBCi. I can't keep up! We should probably leave everything on BBCi for now.

It's true that the on-screen TV interface still carries BBCi branding, but the TV trails and websites do refer to "BBC Red Button" - so it looks and sounds like the branding has fallen into a bit of a grey area until someone gets around to commissioning a new logo. Interestingly there are no press releases or news pages that mention the rebrand. It's worth flagging that up as a discussion point before someone jumps in and changes the page back again, as we should hold off until there's an official launch. Cnbrb (talk) 11:30, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That was my thinking entirely. I do take the point that Oxfordmale was making with this link, but that's the only place that I've seen it specifically called 'BBC Red Button'. As you point out, the actual on-screen interface (in my personal opinion the definitive source for this) still uses BBCi. As soon as that changes, we should move this article to it's new name, but not beforehand. _Talk Islander 12:42, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The BBCi brand appears to have gone from the on-screen TV interface now. I'm not sure if the rebrand is complete yet. An anonymous editor set about changing some BBCi references to BBC Red Button, but the article got a bit confused as a result. I've reverted most of those changes but have added more text to support the Red Button info, as I understand what they were trying to achieve.

So the question is: is it time to move the page yet? Cnbrb (talk) 13:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, on-screen, online and by mouth it is now know as BBC Red Button. This clear states "BBC Red Button (previously BBCi)". References also include this and this. -- [[ axg ⁞⁞ talk ]] 19:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted! Well I would favour a page move in the near future on condition that

the historical explanation of the former BBCi brand is retained in context
rather than a redirect, the BBCi article becomes a disambiguation page

Cnbrb (talk) 20:04, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The brand 'BBC Red Button' is still current, and is referenced in the upcoming Red Button schedules both here: [1] and here: [2]. Although the branding is not consistent on the Red Button applications themselves, this is more a legacy technology thing. BBCi is quite possibly an old reference to the 'BBCi Browser' software that powers the red button content pages. - David Craddock / Red Button Software Engineer - 24th September 2011

Unexpected page move[edit]

Er, it is usual to discuss a page move before moving.

I'm not at all convinced that "BBCi Red Button Service" is an accurate name for this. I've never heard it used by the BBC anywhere, so I'd really like to see where this term is used. BBCi appears to have been dropped. Cnbrb (talk) 09:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Every mention and reference from the BBC about their interactive television services refer to "BBC Red Button". I would be in favour of reverting the move, as per previous consensus. --tgheretford (talk) 13:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My post above clearly gives sources that it is called BBC Red Button. This clear states "BBC Red Button (previously BBCi)". References also include this and this. -- [[ axg ⁞⁞ talk ]] 14:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for sorting it. Kilgar, you're welcome to contribute to the article but it's best to discuss proposed page moves before renaming an article. If you want to query the branding, by all means discuss it here. We all know it's been a bit confused of late. Thanks.16:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Branding Defunct[edit]

At least, as of this date - 30 July 2011, the BBC website no longer carries any major mention of BBC Red Button. Its last mention was as a BBC Red Button Policy 2009/2010. Even BBCi is only now mentioned in a more historical perspecvtive, as being a Statements of Programme Policy BBCi Policy 2008/2009.

Links now redirect to the Digital Homepage ... here .... which now links you outside the BBC to the UK Digital Switchover website here

Onair and some some sport page references now relate more to the physical button, red in colour, that activates interactive services on many stations - not hust BBC. --Keith 12:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you mean here. It's mentioned on this page, at least: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/athletics/15971129. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.185.68 (talk) 15:52, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

interactivity[edit]

Does this really happen or do viewers simply select content, the way one does with other TV-channels and text-services? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 08:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Inserting channels[edit]

Hi @Bbb2007:, @Davey2010:, Thanks for your attention in the recent edit war. It turns out that the user accounts who were forcibly inserting sections about BBC Three etc were all sockpuppets and have been permanently blocked. I don't know if there was any genuine rational for inserting that information - it could have some merit, but it did need discussion, so you were right to revert. Cnbrb (talk) 10:22, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Cnbrb, Please see here - I created an SPI soon after reverting them, If BBC Three did air here then I have no objections to yourself or a respected editor adding it back, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 10:42, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, we were both on the case then. Great minds.... Cnbrb (talk) 10:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]