Talk:Lluís Companys

Council of War

What does the statement " 72 years later, the council of war that sentenced him is still in force" mean? The source is not in English and the statement as it is doesn't make much sense, is it saying that the regime that sentenced him is still in power? 123.243.215.92 (talk) 16:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Three years later and no one can be arsed to respond to your comment, so I have done what I routinely do with meaningless nonsense. If it is incomprehensible, there can be no loss to anyone in its simple deletion.Optymystic (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Birth

Was he born in 1883 or 1882? Sabbut 10:50, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Death

According to Burns, Jimmy Barca: a people's passion, p. 126, Companys was "executed on October 14, 1940 after a summary trial for 'military rebellion'" rather than on October 15. Anyone have anything saying differently? Isaiahcambron 03:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a sign near the place of his execution at Montjuic castle that starts: "At 6.20 a.m. on 15th October 1940 president Companys was taken to the castle's northern or Santa Eulalia graveyard. He bade farewell to the persons who were accompanying him, walked over to the wall, looked without flinching at the execution squad and cried out:'For Catalonia' Then the voice ordering 'aim and fire' was followed by a volley of shots." The reference on the sign is "Arias Nacional de Catalunya" (I think) but I am not certian of its correctness. UselessFactMan (talk) 18:57, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Edits

I edited a fair chunk of this page, including removing the tags making the bottom half invisible, and wanted to make it clear here what I was doing.

First, I changed "Spanish politician" back to "Catalan politician" not because of any personal nationalist sense, but because of the fact that Companys was a Catalan politician primarily rather than a Spanish politician. He never served in the national parlaiment, but was a Barcelona councilman and the president of the Generalitat de Catalunya, suggesting he was not a national political figure, but rather a more local figure. Thus Catalan rather than Spanish seems the more appropriate descriptor for a man whose entire career took place in one location. I equate it to calling someone a Colorado politician rather than an American politician. It is suggestive neither of his nationality, nor his politics, but it is suggestive of where he plied his trade.

Second, I've changed his date of death to October 14 rather than October 15. I have provided a reference for this change. If the reference is mistaken and other references can be provided, please do so. I realize that the Spanish version of this page lists his death as October 15, but there is no reference provided to prove that.

Thirdly, I've done some small grammatical edits and additions of translations. I do not speak Catalan (but do speak Spanish), so if my translations are off, please let correct them. I also correct the format of the lead to reflect general Wikipedia practices (birthdate n-dash deathdate).

Thanks, Isaiah (talk) 15:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

First paragraph

As with other biographies, his position as President of Catalonia should be stated before his profession as Catalan Spanish Politician.--Civit cardona (talk) 09:27, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Pardon (1936)

I'm trying to track down information regarding the exact nature of the way Companys et al were released from prison upon the formation of the Popular Front government in 1936. My understanding is that they must have been formally pardoned by the president or congreso but I can't find any information about how/when this happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.161.37.2 (talk) 09:50, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

'Azotedanazis' single edit

An editor with the name 'Azotedanazis' made a single edit it seems to wikipedia, and it was to the spanish civil war section of this article on Companys. It consisted of a lurid description of anarchist-socialist barcelona, including the burning of every church etc and could only lead one to conclude that the sooner the forces of order extirpated these scoundrels the better. And yet, - the Sagrada familia survived, George Orwell saw barcelona and a belief in the merits of socialism was born within him, a very moral man, - and consider that the forces of order being implicitly urged in the edit to take control, are the murderous stalinists , and the churches and the Roman Catholic hierarchy, whose buildings, some of them, were targeted, most of it, was pro- Fascist, (I think one brave catalan bishop was pro the Republic, a couple of others ) and by extension, sine the Fascists of Spain had nazi support, the Catholic hierarchy was pro-Nazi. So the edit is highly selective, it is tendentious, it pushes the reader to a support of 'order' against these louts, but 'order' was Stalinist. In short the edit introduces a one sided argument that leads the reader to conclude Companys was an angel of disorder. If Barcelona in 1936-37 is to be set up and Companys place in it discussed it needs more than this fascistic tendentious edit. so i reverted it to a more matter of fact and plain description, the version that existed before 'Azotedanazis' visited the page to describe the anarchist barcelona with his one sided pen. Another editor restored the edit of azotedanazis but I wanted to say something about what prompted my edits. barcelona 1936-37 was surely complex and it isn't helpful to have some kind of pro Franco , pro- roman catholic hierarchy, caricature of a complicated , tragic reality stand for that whole period of history 78.147.75.54 (talk) 20:47, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

This article deliberately omits an important part of Lluis Companys' bibliography. He was a genocide.

This article deliberately omits an important part of Lluis Companys' bibliography. Specifically, it hides the fact that Companys ordered the murder of at least 9000 Catalan civilians, if we take a fairly conservative and consensual figure, simply because they were Christians, capitalists or felt Spanish. Their names are publicly available. The summary of his instruction stated his responsibility for the deaths of 25000 Catalans. Companys is considered a genocide by many Catalans, however the pro-independence extremists continue to name hundreds of streets after him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎84.123.9.117 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Genocide?

Calling that someone "authorized and lead [a] genocide" requires more than a reference to an online source that is clearly POV. Unless a reliable textbook citation is sourced, this claim muste be deleted, or at least formulated as a controversy/minority view, not as an accepted fact.

Milice

The milice française was created in 1943. He couldn't have been arrested in 1940 by the milice. 88.20.189.108 (talk) 19:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Right Honorable?

The article presently lists Companys as "Right Honorable" in the infobox - I don't think this is correct for Spain. I will remove it eventually, if no one objects. Bdushaw (talk) 12:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Actually, the term is correct. In Catalonia, the conventional honorific style of the President of Generalitat is "Molt Honorable" which in Catalan means literally "Right Honouralbe", with identical attributions and meaning. While, as you said, is not a common style in Spain, this only applies in Catalonia and, to a minor extent, to Valencian and Balearic presidents, due to their condition of chairmans of Catalan-speaking lands. --Jacobí (talk) 23:55, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Recent edits; citations needed

I've about finished a round of polishing on this article. I was prompted by the recent 15 October memorial for Campanys in Barcelona last week. I first started to clean up some of the writing (I dislike run-on sentences), and then trying to understand, fill out and organize some of the facts, I borrowed material from other articles. An important goal for this article, not quite there yet IMHO, is to convey the impossible conflicts and contradictions that Companys faced from all the competing political players, all while Franco's army advanced. I get clues that the anarchists and the Soviet communists (COMINTERN) were real problems (the latter were likely striving to spark "the revolution", in the traditional Soviet ideology; XXXXX (opinion/colorful phrase deleted)). But I am aware of the need for citations; alas I have none to draw on. Something to work on. I advise avoiding references that are in Spanish or Catalan - not very useful to English speakers.

I was contemplating the meaning of "exile", which to me means being kicked out of a country by the governing power after due process, rather than having to leave because your life is in danger. The definitions are a little muddled on the point, but I can't help but think of sentences like "Napoleon was exiled to Elba" as opposed to Companys escaping for his life. Companys was not exiled in this way, rather Spain wanted him back. I am uncertain of the term, but concluded that at the very least it could be misunderstood, so I used "refugee".

On the way, I learned about the Pavelló de la República CRAI Library, which was interesting. Bdushaw (talk) 11:43, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Companys's or Companys'?

I recently changed Companys's to Companys' in the article, being the possessive form. Further research (looking around on the web) finds that my rigid assertion is rather subject to considerable discussion and dispute. How to indicate possessive when names end in "s"? I wrote Companys', as in "Companys' government", which is the form I was taught long ago. In reading the various options, the one that made sense was to go with how the word combination would be ordinarily pronounced. So if we were to normally say "Companys-es government", that would be written "Companys's government". Even I, and English speaker, find that to be awkward to pronounce, and I think I would just say "Companys government", hence I would write that "Companys' goverment". But the issue is subject to dispute. In short, use whatever form, but the article should be consistent about it. Bdushaw (talk) 10:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)