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Files for discussion (FfD) is for listing images and other media files which may be unneeded or have either free content or non-free content usage concerns. Files that have been listed here for more than 7 days are eligible for either deletion or removal from pages if either a consensus to do so has been reached or the nominator specifically requests deletion or removal and no objections are raised. To quote the non-free content criteria, "it is the duty of users seeking to include or retain content to provide a valid rationale; those seeking to remove or delete it are not required to show that one cannot be created." For undeletion requests, first contact the administrator who deleted the file. If you are unable to resolve the issue with that administrator, the matter should be brought to deletion review. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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June 13[edit]
File:Janus Records logo.jpg[edit]
- File:Janus Records logo.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Zeddedm (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
The shape may seem unusual, but it's easier to draw with a ruler or stencil or any other precisive material. Also, it's American-made most likely. Should be transferred to Commons if no objections to tag the logo as free to use. George Ho (talk) 04:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Relicense: No clear precedence why it is copyrightable or evidence of copyrightable elements. Kys5g talk! 13:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- In other words, a unique shape of the logo isn't original enough for copyright, right? George Ho (talk) 16:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Slade-lets-dance-1988-remix-cheapskate-s.jpg[edit]
- File:Slade-lets-dance-1988-remix-cheapskate-s.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Ajsmith141 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Recently tagged as free to use in the US. Unsure whether it's copyrighted in the UK. Should still be {{PD-ineligible-USonly}} by default if no replies have been made. George Ho (talk) 21:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Medusa-ClashofTitans.jpg[edit]
- File:Medusa-ClashofTitans.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by TAnthony (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
May not contextually signify both the Clash of the Titans (1981 film) and cultural depictions of Medusa and Gorgons. Plenty of Medusa depictions in pop culture, especially films. No indication that one depiction is more significant than any other. George Ho (talk) 21:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete from both per WP:NFCC#8. No substantial discussion of Medusa's appearance in Clash of the Titans (1981 film), except a mention of all the creatures made with stop-motion animation. It's not doing much in Cultural depictions of Medusa and Gorgons, and I've added a PD image to replace it in illustrating the "Screen" section. hinnk (talk) 01:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I don't think NFCC#8 supports deletion, because the depiction does help the reader visualize what is described; and the claim that there's no substantial discussion is clearly wrong, since the description explains not only how Medusa was realized, but also how that depiction differs from other versions. Clash of the Titans is a culturally-significant film, more so than most of the other examples (certainly more than a blurry image from a 1925 silent picture that hardly anybody alive has seen), and as such it benefits readers to have illustrations. The image is small and unlikely to infringe on any rights held by the film's copyright holder, or anyone else who might have copyright on the character or image. P Aculeius (talk) 08:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The most substantive discussion of Medusa in both articles, is as P Aculeius says, about how her portrayal differs from other versions. In particular it discusses how the CoT Medusa has "the lower body of a snake rather than legs", which isn't shown in the illustration! To argue that it passes NFCC#8 I would expect an image to illustrate the one visually distinctive thing about the character actually discussed in the article. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 08:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Agree with Caecilius. Ifly6 (talk) 05:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Recent nominations[edit]
June 14[edit]
File:Oil portrait of Alexander Buchan, before 1769.png[edit]
- File:Oil portrait of Alexander Buchan, before 1769.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Kusma (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Non-free file may actually be free. From what the uploader provided, this painting is likely 18th century, so {{PD-old-assumed}} would apply even though the author is unknown. Wikiacc (¶) 03:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- The image was earlier discussed here, where Kusma wrote: "as it was first published in 1979, it may be protected by copyright". Note also that the 1979 publication was in the United Kingdom, not the United States. So I doubt this work was eligible for restoration under the URAA, but this is worth discussing. Wikiacc (¶) 03:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wikimedia Commons would probably accept this image based on sloppy interpretation of rules, but I see no evidence that it is PD. From c:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/United Kingdom, it seems to be in copyright in the UK until 2029 or 2049, and it was not PD in 1996. —Kusma (talk) 05:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, unless we can establish either that the painting was in fact published before 1979, or the identity of the artist, under the UK's bizarre copyright rules it remains in copyright until 2049 here. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- The other alternative would be that it was never published at all; This is because publication requires the consent of the copyright holder. So it is unlikely that it having been made available to the public in 1979 counts as publication. This would render it {{PD-US-unpublished}}. Felix QW (talk) 12:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- This reasoning only applies to the US, of course, but that is good enough for a local file. Felix QW (talk) 13:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, unless we can establish either that the painting was in fact published before 1979, or the identity of the artist, under the UK's bizarre copyright rules it remains in copyright until 2049 here. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wikimedia Commons would probably accept this image based on sloppy interpretation of rules, but I see no evidence that it is PD. From c:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/United Kingdom, it seems to be in copyright in the UK until 2029 or 2049, and it was not PD in 1996. —Kusma (talk) 05:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Back in My Arms Again.ogg[edit]
- File:Back in My Arms Again.ogg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by FrickFrack (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Doesn't contextually signify the song. Doesn't justify reason that omitting this file would detriment understanding of the whole song. George Ho (talk) 22:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
June 15[edit]
File:Unchained Melody 1955 sheet music.jpg[edit]
- File:Unchained Melody 1955 sheet music.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by George Ho (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
I uploaded a sheet music cover of Unchained Melody as the lead/infobox image, but I've wondered recently whether it's needed and compliant with NFCC, especially "contextual significance" criterion. If not, then I won't object its deletion. George Ho (talk) 04:08, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
File:On The Radio (Belgium).jpg[edit]
- File:On The Radio (Belgium).jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Karldaviesfan (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Displaying at least two releases may fail WP:NFCC#3a. This is a Belgian release (Discogs) and is a reverse version of the parent compilation album's front cover. Should use the other image (File:On the radio donna summer US single variant A.png) instead. George Ho (talk) 05:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Starship Versions.jpeg[edit]
- File:Starship Versions.jpeg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Thistheyear2023 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Non-free file being used as fair use, but missing fair use rationale box (not completely required) and the rationale provided is incomplete (missing WP:NFCCP#10c). This file does not meet WP:NFCCP#8 "Contextual Significance" - it is not necessary to enhance the reader's understanding of the versions of the SpaceX Starship; the different sized rockets can be visualized based on the article's content and the data could be summarized without needing to show this slide. Consigned (talk) 15:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete The table has already been swapped out in SpaceX Starship#Versions (WP:NFCCP#7 fell). I've also found a transparent higher-res version of Starship V3 in an FAA publication, so WP:NFCCP#1 is gone too now since a V2 graphic could be created from File:Starship stack V3.png. HLFan (talk) 14:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Zobel (14) Balanced Bridge T.PNG[edit]
- File:Zobel (14) Balanced Bridge T.PNG (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Spinningspark (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File is on Commons with the same name but have a keep local. However the uploader that added the keep local is deceased and therefore not active anymore. So the reason for the keep local no longer exist. It was suggested on Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_April_24#File:4-cube_4^4.png that files are deleted via a PROD. But the file was proposed for deletion in 2009 so I can’t do a PROD. Back then it was suggested to delete because it was obsolete and replaced by an svg. It was kept because uploader requested and it was used as a source for the svg. Now the file is moved to Commons so there is no longer any issue in deleting the file. MGA73 (talk) 19:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Zobel (15) Balanced Zobel half section.PNG[edit]
- File:Zobel (15) Balanced Zobel half section.PNG (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Spinningspark (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File is on Commons with the same name but have a keep local. However the uploader that added the keep local is deceased and therefore not active anymore. So the reason for the keep local no longer exist. It was suggested on Wikipedia:Files_for_discussion/2024_April_24#File:4-cube_4^4.png that files are deleted via a PROD. But the file was proposed for deletion in 2009 so I can’t do a PROD. Back then it was suggested to delete because it was obsolete and replaced by an svg. It was kept because uploader requested and it was used as a source for the svg. Now the file is moved to Commons so there is no longer any issue in deleting the file. MGA73 (talk) 19:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
June 16[edit]
File:Sgtpepperslonelyheartsclubbandsinglecover.jpg[edit]
- File:Sgtpepperslonelyheartsclubbandsinglecover.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by ChillyPepper (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
The front sleeve of the 1978 single release looks similar to the Beatles' parent album Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, but it's no longer used in the song article. It's currently used in With a Little Help from My Friends, but to me, its ability to contextually signify the whole song isn't clear. More convincing images would've been ones associated with the song, like the song title itself: e.g. a back cover or a side label of the release itself (45cat), or a side label of another (45cat). George Ho (talk) 07:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
File:With a Little Help from My Friends by Joe Cocker UK vinyl single Side-A.png[edit]
- File:With a Little Help from My Friends by Joe Cocker UK vinyl single Side-A.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by George Ho (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
As I'm beginning to believe, the whole side label may have elements that aren't "original" enough for US copyright. Nonetheless, it may or may not be "original" enough for the (longtime) UK copyright. Should be "PD-ineligible-USonly" if no consensus has yet decided to transfer it to Commons. George Ho (talk) 07:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
File:NSDL Payments Bank Logo.png[edit]
- File:NSDL Payments Bank Logo.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Iamsouravrana (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Non-fee logo claimed to be used for identification in the infobox at the top of the article but is instead in a secondary infobox at the bottom of the article. The logo is not the subject of any sourced significant critical commentary. Fails WP:NFCC#8. Whpq (talk) 17:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
File:EricRudolphMugshots2003.jpg[edit]
- File:EricRudolphMugshots2003.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Comitialbulb561 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Fails WP:NFCCP criterion 8, specifically the article does not need a photo for the reader to be able to understand that when captured Rudolph had dyed hair and a moustache, since text alone does that perfectly well. Article already contains a free imasge of Rudolph Kathleen's bike (talk) 20:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
June 17[edit]
File:Canadian Soccer Association logo.svg[edit]
- File:Canadian Soccer Association logo.svg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Carniolus (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
This is the logo of the Canadian Soccer Association, not the national soccer teams themselves, thus this image cannot be used on the team articles. We have had many similar FFDs for sports association logos with consensus that they can't be used on team articles (WP:GETTY point 17). The CSA page is using a different version of this image, thus this version does not need to be kept, as it has no valid uses Joseph2302 (talk) 15:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep this was the logo in use at the Canadian Soccer Association (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) page until it was removed on June 18 [1]. Thus it should be restored to that article, with the appropriate FUR as the logo for the organization. The file page used to have the correct FUR earlier this month until it was changed on June 16 [2] by the vandal Livermento (talk · contribs) -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 03:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and restore to Canadian Soccer Association page per above. Idiosincrático (talk) 07:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment am fine with it being added back to Canadian Soccer Association if the mess of the non free content on there is fixed, and as long as there is a clear note that it's only allowed to be used there (and any changes to try and use it in Canada teams articles are reverted). Joseph2302 (talk) 16:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- So, you are saying that you only accept keeping fair use media if Wikipedia bans all once and future vandals, and vet all editors with a test for their media use behavior limits? That would be equivalent to banning all fair-use media on Wikipedia, and turning Wikipedia into the gated community of Citizendium. There is only 1 image at Canadian Soccer Association currently, and it is from COMMONS. Last year there were only two images, this logo and the image from COMMONS. So I don't see what you mean by mess of non-free media. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 20:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
June 18[edit]
File:Eastern Airlines N819EA.jpg[edit]
- File:Eastern Airlines N819EA.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Khang To (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
We already have multiple free image equivalents of Eastern Airlines Boeing 727s that can be used to show what the aircraft involved looked like. These images can be used to show what the aircraft looked like without having the need to use a copyrighted image. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 13:47, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Mother boxart.png[edit]
- File:Mother boxart.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Parrothead1983 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Fails WP:NFCC#1 due to File:MOTHER 1989 Boxart (Nintendo).png. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have my doubts that the one on Commons is in the public domain. The uploader of the Commons image is indeffed here for being a sock. SWinxy (talk) 21:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- I thought that account name looked familiar. Regardless, the image seems to simply be a combination of already PD Simple assets and this image, which seems to be a derivative work of this NASA image with very little changed about it. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep At least for now, as the copyright status of the Commons version is unclear and was uploaded by a known disruptive editor. I have nominated it for deletion on Commons. If there is consensus to keep the Commons version, I would have no problem with a new discussion leading to deletion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Pending result of Commons file.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:50, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
June 19[edit]
File:2023 ICC Women's T20 World Cup Asia Qualifier logo.png[edit]
- File:2023 ICC Women's T20 World Cup Asia Qualifier logo.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Crickdreamer (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
This looks to be a generic logo, not a logo specifically for the 2023 event, and thus violates WP:GETTY point 14 and WP:NFCC#8. Nothing on this logo is 2023 specific as it has no reference to the year 2023 on it. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
- But it is the logo specific to the event, whether it states the year in the logo or not. The 2022 logo looks different, as far as I can tell, https://www.jagranjosh.com/current-affairs/icc-world-cup-2022-schedule-get-full-womens-world-cup-schedule-indian-team-fixtures-date-result-here-1608020469-1 MüllerMarcus (talk) 14:50, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Pavlov's Dog - Julia.mp3[edit]
File:Pavlov's_Dog_-_Julia.mp3 is a lower-quality version of File:Pavlov's_Dog_-_Julia.opus(same file base name, .opus extension). The original MP3 was so badly compressed (not only low bitrate, inadequate encoder or encoder configuration) that the point of illustrating what the Song/Album/Artist "sounds like" was completely missed. A re-encoding from the original file with a less catastrophic coder was inevitable to justify its inclusion. Sadly, that can't be done using the "new version of this file" dialog.
The one Wikipedia usage, Pampered Menial, has been updated to use the non-catastrophic version of the snippet (all 19.8s of it). So, the original MP3 is redundant and can only not be nominated for speedy deletion because it's not the same file format. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MüllerMarcus (talk • contribs) 14:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
June 20[edit]
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