Talk:Foreign-born Japanese

Deletion?

Is this page still a candidate for deletion? It doesn't seem to be on the VfD page anymore, and it seems to have at least a few good links. Exploding Boy 08:33, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)

Naturalization and "foreign-born"

I don't think "Foreign-born Japanese" is a good title because some ethnic Japanese were born in foreign countries. For example, Ozawa Seiji was born in Manchukuo. I'd like to rename this to "Naturalized Japanese." --Nanshu 02:46, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

If they are ethnically Japanese and born to a Japanese parent or parents but outside the country, then the term naturalized Japanese wouldn't cover them. The name is fine as it is.Exploding Boy 04:44, Mar 18, 2004 (UTC)

Hmmm, I assumed that this article covers those who were naturalized in Japan but there seems another idea. Anyway, Ozawa Seiji is a foreign-born Japanese in a literal sense but does not conform to the first sentence: "... later acquire Japanese citizenship." --Nanshu 01:29, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Exploding Boy, I have to agree with Nanshu here. The way I see it, the definition of "foreign-born Japanese" in this page appears to be a defenition not in common use, and also quite arbitary.

The article currently defines "foreign-born Japanese" as "a person who was originally born outside Japan and later acquired Japanese citizenship. " If you go by the current Nationality Law (国籍法), this will include (1) naturalized Japanese, (2) a person who is eligible to the exceptional "Acquisition of nationality by legitimation" (準正にともなう取得) article in the Nationality Law, (3) a person who was born outside Japan to Japanese parents but retroactively lost Japanese nationality because he/she did not "clearly indicate his or her volition to reserve Japanese nationality," but later reacquired Japanese nationality by article 17 of the Nationality Law, and (4) people who applyed to acquire Japanese nationality because of a special measure the Japanese government employed to reduce inequalities that arose because of the 1984 revision to the Nationality Law.

The way I understand it, anyone who acquires Japanese nationality and does not fall in to (2), (3) or (4), will have to go through the full naturalization process regardless of whether they are ethnic Japanese or not. Additionally, the revised Nationality Law gives Japanese nationality to anyone born to a Japanese parent, regardless of the country they were born in. This and the fact that (2), (3) and (4) are all exceptional cases make me feel that "naturalized Japanese" is much more inuitive.

By the way, Alberto Fujimori is not a "foreign-born Japanese person" if you go by the definition in this page - he acquired Japanese nationality at birth because his father had Japanese citizenship and registered Alberto Fujimori's birth at the Japanese embassy in Lima. Yes, the current law does prohibit dual nationality, but the old version wasn't that strict. Atsi Otani 07:27, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I would like to know why Alberto Fujimori is frequently referred to as a dual citizen of Peru and Japan in the news. If this is true, why was he not subject by the Japanese government to choosing Peruvian or Japanese nationality when he turned 20 or 22 as the law states? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.235.251.198 (talk) 14:31, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Naturalization and "Japanese by birth": contradictory

I see some answers to my question on this talk page: the topic is confused. I was going to ask why Alberto Fujimori is cited here, and, more globally, why there is a section about "Japanese by birth" in an article dealing about naturalization. Apparently we haven't decided yet if the article should deal only about naturalization, or about both kind of "foreign-born Japanese" (naturalized Japanese & Japanese born abroad). I'm not sure the last topic is of encyclopedical interest, but in any cases, this article should be clarified. Lapaz 14:06, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Unrelated content

Algeria similarly does not prohibit foreign-born people who hold Algerian citizenship from running for high office. One such instance is the current president, Abdelaziz Bouteflika, who was born in Morocco. -Unknown

How is this related? Northern

Dominique de Villepin

Villepin was born in Morocco, but is not Moroccan. He was born to French parents and has never held another citizenship than French. Accordingly, I have edited the article, as referring to France as "his adopted country" is incorrest. 203.97.173.115 09:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Marrying?

A lot of countries have special citizenship laws regarding marriage, like not making people give up citizenship if they become Japanese due to marriage, or a member of another country due to marriage. Do they make people swear off nationailty in cases like that? Is it appropriate to link to an article about japanese marriage laws here? Tyciol (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Naturalization Myth?

I heard that a requirement to be aelgible to be a Naturalizied Foreign-brned Japanese, is that you must have a bachelor's degree as educational background or years of work experience in a relevant field. Is that true? Is that an Absolute Nescental? Cuz I cant find anything to support the claim.--Akemi Loli Mokoto (talk) 14:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Huh?

The Legal issues section contains a sentence which reads, "Many who were born and live in Japan permanently, particularly Korean and Chinese, tend to maintain their citizenship." This has been in the article for a long time (see [1] and earlier), but I don't see what it is trying to communicate. It appears to be speaking of persons who have naturalized as Japanese citizens. Since Japanese nationality law generally allows naturalization only of persons who are stateless or willing to renounce foreign citizenship (see Article 5, Section (5) here), these naturalized Japanese citizens will not have a foreign citizenship to maintain -- this sentence must be speaking of maintaining their naturalized Japanese citizenship. I don't see the point here.

The next sentence reads, "There has been a constant discussion among the government and lawmakers whether to expand their rights of permanent residence to include provisions such as the right to vote in elections, etc." Presumably, this sentence refers to the naturalized Japanese citizens referred to in the preceding sentence, but it seems to say that these naturalized Japanese citizens do not have the right to vote, etc. If this is so, it would be surprising to me and would deserve amplification here.

Alternatively, perhaps these two sentences refer to foreigners living in Japan as permanent residents without Japanese citizenship. The sentences make more sense to me with this presumption, but with this presumption I don't see their relevance in an article on the topic of Foreign-born Japanese (and see Demographics of Japan#Foreign residents).

I think that the paragraph containing these two sentences needs to be reworded but, since I'm not sure what those sentences are trying to say, I'm not able to attempt to reword it myself. I am mentioning it here in order to call this to the attention of regular editors of this article. 02:54, 27 March 2013 (UTC)