Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kybernetès
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This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record.
The result of the debate was delete. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 03:13, 31 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Kybernetès[edit]
Dicdef, not an entry that would belong in Wiktionary either. Definition already mentioned in the three words which derive from it (cybernetics, government and governor). Chris talk back 00:08, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Chris sums it up nicely. Thing is, this is a vocabulary stub, and when you look at the stub list you see a lot of articles with similar problems. What's going on here? Why does this stub category even exist? ---Isaac R 00:45, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- When Category:Substubs was being deprecated, it became clear that there were a lot of stubs that would either have to be dumped sight-unseen on Move to Wiktionary or would require a "holding pen" until we had time to go through them all to check which ones needed transwiki-ing. That holding pen is Category:Vocabulary_and_usage_stubs. The list is slowly being winnowed, and you are likely to see a lot of them turn up here or at the Move to Wiktionary page. In other words, it's a temporary thing. Grutness...wha? 01:40, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete--MarSch 17:52, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. It's not even spelled right (would be kybernêtês if you want to indicate the vowel length, I dunno what the è is even supposed to mean)... DopefishJustin (・∀・) 20:43, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
- No, it wouldn't. Uncle G 23:01, 2005 May 24 (UTC)
- It's not even spelled correctly because it is in the wrong alphabet. Delete. Uncle G 23:01, 2005 May 24 (UTC)
- I'm still in the delete camp, but I have to correct this. There's nothing "incorrect" about Latinizing a Greek word. You'll find lots of reputable authors doing so. Nowadays, it's easy to provide text in non-Latin alphabets, but it wasn't always so. And there's something to be said for accomodating readers to whom Κυβερνητης is just chicken tracks. ¶ Incidentally, the "correct" spelling of my last name requires use of Cyrilic -- but since I can't spell it that way myself, the rest of you are exempt as well! ----Isaac R 00:04, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, there is, and those "reputable authors" (which classification apparently does not include the authors of any Greek language dictionaries, since they don't do this) and you are both wrong. The Greek word is in the Greek alphabet. It's that simple. Uncle G 11:42, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
- It isn't that simple. transliterated words are valuable in their own right, we are trying to make the most complete and most useful resource that we can, and transliterated words are commonplace on the internet as well as in some published works. - TheDaveRoss 19:12, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict with Dave)However, on Wiktionary, the Latinised form should be redirected to the Greek form. Why? Regardless of prescriptivist values of 'the right form' (which in this case I subscribe to), the Latinised form is used often enough, especially in an online context, which is precisely what Wiktionary is. Also, many dictionaries list Greek words in etymologies in their Latinised forms, which annoys me at times, but that doesn't mean it isn't done. --Wytukaze 19:15, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- If you're going to go all prescriptivist, the only correct way to write classical Greek is ALLCAPS, no accent marks, and no spaces between words. That's the way the Greeks wrote! ----Isaac Рабинович 06:13, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, there is, and those "reputable authors" (which classification apparently does not include the authors of any Greek language dictionaries, since they don't do this) and you are both wrong. The Greek word is in the Greek alphabet. It's that simple. Uncle G 11:42, 2005 May 25 (UTC)
- I'm still in the delete camp, but I have to correct this. There's nothing "incorrect" about Latinizing a Greek word. You'll find lots of reputable authors doing so. Nowadays, it's easy to provide text in non-Latin alphabets, but it wasn't always so. And there's something to be said for accomodating readers to whom Κυβερνητης is just chicken tracks. ¶ Incidentally, the "correct" spelling of my last name requires use of Cyrilic -- but since I can't spell it that way myself, the rest of you are exempt as well! ----Isaac R 00:04, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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