User talk:Ogress
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@Ogress: did you get my message? I’m sorry about formatting, something on this page is messing with mobile view.Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:45, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
- Hey Immanuelle, I did not! I've been in and out of hospital. Do you remember what it was about? Ogress 13:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
My Saka edit[edit]
(Sorry if my English is bad) Hello! I saw that you put a message on my page (sorry if I am late). It was saying that you were deleted my Saka edit and so on... and lastly, you said that i can talk in your page. İn here, I will a lot of sources that Scythians/Sakas had Turkic origin. There are a lot of Persian propagandaists/trolls in Wikipedia. For example, if you go the Scythian page of Wikipedia, you will see a source named "Minns 1913, p. 36:'The general view is that both agricultural and nomad Scythians were Iranian.'" (Minns 1913=Ellis H. Minns, Scythians and Greeks), in fact, he says that but they do not publish the opinion of the author. Let's look the 44th page of the book:
“ | At any rate it is clearly stated that the Scyths came from the East. | ” |
In those times, the Turks used to live in the Eastern (Mongolia and Xinjang part) and Central Asia. Let's continue:
“ | Of course the Asiatic origin of the nomad Scyths is no bar to their Iranian affinity, but it makes a non- Aryan derivation conceivable. | ” |
So we can understand that Ellis H. Minns thinks that Scythians had not any Iranian origin.
According to the Richard Knolles, the Turks came from Scythia. Source:The Turkish History:Comprehending of the origin of that NATION, and the growth of the Ottoman Empire, with the LİVES and CONQUESTS of their feveral KINGS and EMPERORS, p. 341:
“ | [...] and bloody, than the Turks themselves when they came from Scythia, in this manner the Turks relieved imminent destruction [...] | ” |
The following sentence appears in Stoyan Dinkov's (he is a Bulgarian) book titled TURAN - From Scythians and Huns - To Turks and Bulgarians:
In Turkish:"Daha sonraları Kurganlar üzerinde araştırma yapılırken çok miktarda ürünlerle güncellenmiştir kanıtlarla İskitlerin hakim dizilerinin Proto-Türk oldukları."
Translation:"Later, during research on the Kurgans, it was updated with a large number of products, with evidence that the dominant lines of the Scythians were Proto-Turkic."
(I couldn't find the English version of the book)
G. W. B. Huntingford's "Who Were the Scythians?" On page 785 of his book, he uses the following sentence while describing the Scythians:
“ | The word 'Scythian' was used by to describe the all barbarian inhabitants of what is now Russia, just as we, speak loosely of Tatars and Mongols. | ” |
pp. 89-91 of the “Turkish image in Spain in the 16th century in the context of Habsburg-Ottoman rivalry” book of Fernando Fernández Lanza:
“ | The Greeks called the warrior Scythian women 'Amazon' and said that they removed one of their breasts to become stronger. Imam Mervezi says that those women warriors were Turkic. | ” |
What is written on page 393 of the book "An Epitome of History" written by John Payne and published in 1795 is as follows:
“ | The Turks are of Tartarian and Scythian extraction; and this appeltion was [...] | ” |
In A. Sanducci's book "Ancient Scholars about the Turks and Turkic nations: The MEGA Edition", it is emphasized that they are Turks with the following words:
“ | [...] Scythians and all the summoned nations could communicate with each other , and most likely , they all knew the Scythian language . Given that the Scythians were of Turkic origin , it is easy to determine what language they used – ancient [...] | ” |
A study on the DNA of the Scythians in Britain's Nature Communications journal reveals that their DNA is most similar to the Central Asian Turks. Press Here to See*
The similar study also done in Science Advances journal and the result is same:They are mostly similar to the Turks! Press Here to See*
Another study about DNA which says Scythians are Turks:
Davidski (3 March 2017). "Eurogenes Blog: Genetic origins and legacy of the Scythians and Sarmatians". Eurogenes Blog
For further explanation and sources, look:
- Meyer, Eudard (1926). Geschichte des Altertums. Stuggart J. C. Gotta. p. 905.
- Prof. Durmuş, İlhami (2012). Scythians, p.62-66, Akçağ Publishing, Ankara, ISBN 978-605-5413-95-8
- The Turks. Volume 1: Early Ages. Part 3: Old nomads of the steppes: Scythian age in Eurasia. Prof. Dr. A. Chay - Prof. Dr. I. Durmus, Scythians, 2002, p. 147-166], ISBN 975-6782-56-0)
- Mirfatih Zekiyev, Origin of the Tatars and Turks, p. 143-178 Selenge yayınları Ağustos 2007
- Tarhan, M. Taner - "The Turks in the World of the Asia Minor:Cimmerians and Scythians" Encyclopedia of Turks, Volume I, Ankara, 2002, p. 597
- Kazi Laypanov / İsmail Miziyev, Origin of the Turkic peoples, Selenge publishing, 2008, p. 77-101
- Das Land der Seide und Tibet im Lichte der Antike, Albert Herrmann, p. 147
- Robert Gordon Latham, Russian and Turk, archived, Chapter:The Yakut, p. 237:"Avars and Huns with the Scythians of Heredotus and their destencants [...] That before the Huns, who are the first in the date of the Turks of the present investigations, the old [...]"
- Leon Whiteley, KYRGYZSTAN: Reflections of a Winter's Journey, archived., 2012, p. 20:"[...] Scythians . The Scythians refused to join battle, so Darius pursued them further and further into a featureless [...] and won against these Turkic nomads . The Turkic nomads are also likely to have exercised some control over Central Asian urban centres [...]"
- Molla Mehmed El’Abeshi; Mufassal Tarih-i Kavm-i Türki, ufa, 1909, p.54:“One of the Turkish tribes and the world's great group of ancient tribes is the Scythian Turks."
- O. Franke; Beitrage aus Chinesischen Quellen Qur Kenntnis der Türk-Völker und Skythen Zentralasiens, 1904, p.60-61.
BaharatlıCheetos2.0 (talk) 08:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)