Talk:Cangaço

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I'd recommend that other contributors take a look at this page. Aside from copyediting, I'm hoping that others can add perspective and content.

It's been too long since I've researched this subject. I want to go back and add content in light of any connection with the ongoing landless movement in Brazil, which has received quite a deal of national and international attention, particularly since the election of their old ally, Lula da Silva. Right now I'm a bit fuzzy on the details. Generally, this topic receives inadequate attention in the literature about Brazilian history (considering the traditionally large share of the Brazilian population for which the peasantry accounts), which itself is to scarce, considering that this country has the world's fifth largest population and 9th largest economy.

In short, this is not a widely researched topic, but an important one.

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Does anyone want to add content? I'm having trouble finding people interested in Brazilian history.

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For whatever it's worth, in the north-eastern parts of Brazil, the coastal areas have much more value than the non-coastal ones. Both are pretty arid, but at least on the coast you have a paradisiac beach. You would find the rich people, the urban lifestyle and the big cities all in the coast for north-eastern Brazil. Actually, the same goes for all of Brazililan states that have a coast. The rural area of north-eastern Brazil is almost a desert and sometimes it can be a sort of dangerous place to be in, even to this day (I've heard tales about massive marijuana plantations there, defended by armed bandits). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.134.139.70 (talk) 18:08, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Origin of the word "Cangaço"

< person who could not adapt itself to the litoraneous lifestyle >

I wonder if "litoraneous" is the best word here. It is very obscure: Websters Third New International Unabridged (2002 ed.) does not list it, nor does the latest Merriam Webster Collegiate (11th ed. 2003), nor does Wictionary. A Google search brings up 8 primary hits (including two referencing this very article) but no definition.

The word seems to be related to “littoral,” meaning a coastal region (from Latin “litus,” seashore or shore of a lake or river). Literaneous would appear to mean “coastal.”

In the context of this article, I'm guessing that litoraneous is used here to refer to the culture of the coastal cities of Brazil, as opposed to the historically less European-influenced interior. I would not be surprised if the word has a close cognate in Brazilian Portuguese, and that it is not uncommonly found in learned discourse among Brazilian historians and social scientists.

Even if this is so, I suggest that the word doesn't belong in an English language encyclopedia article (certainly not without an accompanying definition). I don't advocate “dumbing down” Wikipedia articles, long and hard words are fine, but a reader should be able to find a definition for them online, or by using standard reference materials.

Any discussion? I would not wish to change the article without some expert input. Bog 17:08, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

"Litoraneous" was definately written by a Brazilian -- a "quick" translation from our word "litoranea" (with a ^ on the first "a"). Go ahead and fix it since you actually speak English. "Litoral" in portuguese means coast (we also have the word "Costa", which means the same as Litoral and thus Coast). Coastal is the right translation.

The information the the Cangaceiros "were supported by the poor" is at least incomplete, since they usually paid for their food or simply robbed it. Also it is out of place. It would be better being removed. Phcgontijo (talk) 11:52, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

non sense

I'd recommend taking this part out:

""Cangaceiro" was a pejorative expression, such as jagunço, cabra, or bandoleiro, meaning a person who could not adapt himself to the coastal lifestyle imposed by a new society, formed by people descending from European colonizers."

This gives impression that there's a racial/ethnic connotation to the Cangaco and there isn't. There were Cangaceiros of all races, most of them mixed (as most brazilians, including the elite). There isn't any "new society formed by european colonizers" clashing with native one - a lot of those cangaceiros where themselves descended from the Portuguese (as most brazilians).

This was a clash of social classes, not a racial/ethnical clash. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.236.77.5 (talk) 08:41, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the comparison of the word "Cangaceiro" with the other ones is not at all useful for non-Portuguese speakers (since this is an English page), and may lead to confusion, as the other words (jagunço, cabra, and bandoleiro) have all of them very different meanings, only connected by the accidental situation of being "pejorative". Phcgontijo (talk) 11:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

There is CLEAR racial/ethnic connotation to the Cangaço. There were absolutely zero white cangaceiros. However, I do agree that the term itself does not carry any racial or ethnic connotation, and the racial/ethnic connotation to it is minor since the prevalent question was poverty (there are plenty of jagunços and macacos that are non-white. It was definitely not a racial struggle.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.78.120.35 (talk) 05:00, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Survivors

the text implies that there were no survivors in the band but that is false. I personally met a survivor, whose story is well known and publuished in brazil before her death, Silá. There wer also Durvinha and Moreno. It is possible that there would be others. Fonts for the info on Silá: http://www2.uol.com.br/omossoroense/170205/cotidiano3.htm (portuguese) Durvinha and Moreno: http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/impresso,durvinha-conta-historia-do-ultimo-casal-do-cangaco,88841,0.htm (portuguese) if anyone find tha info relevant, please add. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.78.120.35 (talk) 05:21, 21 May 2014 (UTC)