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Length of Ionian Sea[edit]

Does anyone know the length of the Ionian Sea because I can't find it anywhere?

Northern Border of the Ionian Sea[edit]

In the Albanian coastal city of Vlore, there is a distinct location where the sea turns from the Adriatic to the Ionian. If you look at the satellite or topographical map, you can see where the mountain range starts that creates the deep Ionian coast. Should Vlore be added to the Places section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popcontest (talk • contribs) 14:46, 7 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology of Ionian Sea[edit]

Various etymologies have been suggested for the name.

I suppose that:

The word is derivated by Aonians (or Aones), a people of ancient Greece which, originally, lived at Illyrian coasts and later, migreted to Boeotia (originally, Aonia).

Perhaps, Chaonians (or Chaones, a people lived in Epirus, in classic era (8th - 1st centuries B.C.), were their posterity.

The others etymologies (from Ionians or Io) has fewer probabilities.

--IonnKorr 17:02, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Albanian translation.[edit]

While "Joné" might be translated as "ours" in Albanian, here it is used just as the name of the Sea. "Deti Jon" means just "Jon Sea".

Fixed76.20.226.239 (talk) 01:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  "Deti jon" (Ionian sea) simply means "our sea" in the albanian language.--Durim Durimi (talk) 19:41, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's indeed can be backed by Latin name for Mediterran Sea which is "Mare Nostrum" which means "Our Sea" hence we can trace it's usage among albanians as "Deti Jon", I also think its impropper to apply Modern Albanian Phonetic rules to the term "Deti Jon" as "Deti Jonë", logicaly is incorrect since it's an ancient toponym. I strongly belive that "Ion" is correlated as "Jonë" in Albanian. Albanian language got another possessive adjective related to "Jonë" which is "Ynë" and we can trace Yn-Jon-Ion=Nostrum(Lat)=Our(En).--Pinjolli 12:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The extent of Ionian sea[edit]

I believe that the extent of Ionian sea at North is higher than the one stated in the article. The north extent should be the Otranto Strait, also this is more credible, because in the article itself is stated that Himara is included in the Ionean sea which is below the Otranto Strait and much more higher than the line described in the article. And that's what they have taught us in the geography class at scool.--Caci99 (talk) 17:17, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article gives the extent as defined by the International Hydrographic Organization - it is not necessarily wrong, but other definitions could exist. If you have a source for another one, then we could quote that too. Bazonka (talk) 17:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the name[edit]

Dear all,

Going by this edit, we've got two versions:

  1. Albanians call the Ionian sea, "deti ion" which literally means "our sea". It could also be that the name Ionian comes from Greek language.
  2. The name Ionian comes from Greek language (no mention of Albanian).

Which is correct? --Muzammil (talk) 05:17, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you checked the facts too carefully. The "two versions" you are speaking of, is really one version: the stable version I reverted to. The "other version" was added by an IP just today. The IP edit made it sound as if the Albanian name is the primary etymology of the sea, while the Greek name is just another possible version: It could also be that the name Ionian comes from Greek language.. That's not what the two reliable sources say. The two reliable sources say that the name of the sea derives from the Greek name "Ionian" and they make no mention of the Albanian name. The IP edit distorted the meaning of what the sources support. You can check this for yourself. Just read what the reliable sources say. I hope this helps. Dr. K. 05:35, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Dr.K. for the quick reply. --Muzammil (talk) 05:38, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Muzammil: You are very welcome Muzammil. Glad to have been of help. Best regards. Dr. K. 05:46, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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VANDALISM AND SPAM!!![edit]

HELLO everyone,

I am deeply concerned about some people who continue their viscious edit war to delete the albanian etymology version of the name of the sea and this is unacceptable!! I have wweel-sourced the material and this constitutes vandalism to delete sourced information and should not happen again. If anyone has any objections, please contact me here. Otherwise, I am re-putting the etymology immmediately Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.26.41.112 (talk) 01:09, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

When you say "well sourced", do you mean the single source in Albanian? Have you got any more sources for verification? Please read WP:Verifiability (especially WP:Extraordinary). --Michail (blah) 02:37, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I see many times citations with only 1 source here. Show respect. Let alone I can cite you at least 3 more books saying that, but of course a book on the ALbanian etymology will be in Albanian and I don't see a problem here. I dont geth why the.. Vandals are stopping the readers from reading additional valid information. Thus, I will re-add the albanian etymology. And stop showing me the rules kido, as you have many other things written with only 1 source so please refrain from playing the smartie here and respect the other editors. Cheers!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.26.41.112 (talk) 16:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

To sum up, you say the word ionian comes from the greek language the etymology is unknown you cite only 1 greek source. Heh, nationalists haha. I am re adding it immediately. Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.26.41.112 (talk) 16:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But that is accepted concensus. If you challenge the accepted bibliogrphy, you need to provide multiple mainstream sources to support your claim. It's not getting put in the article until you can provide that. Keep in mind that edit warring can get you banned. Also, please remember to sign your replies by putting -- ~~~~ after your message. --Michail (blah) 18:12, 13 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, The source cited there is a consensus among Albanians too, as clearly stated in the bibliography. Plus, do you have a source stating that it is by consensus that the word ionian comes from greek? If not, please do not disrupt the editing process anymore. Thank you GjergjiZogaj126 (talk) 22:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)Gjergj Zogaj126GjergjiZogaj126 (talk) 22:19, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that this is "consensus among Albanians" as you say is a clear example of Point of View pushing. Please find us a major, reliable, mainstream academic source that also lists the Albanian POV in its entry for 'Ionian Sea'. --Michail (blah) 23:11, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This should be impossible, as the name is at least about 2500 years old (e.g. used by Aeschylus), and the Albanian Language is a bit younger - in written form as young as about 1000 years. --Nomentz (talk) 09:29, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Map with "Macedonia"[edit]

I'm afraid that this picture has to be replaced since it's inaccurate. There's no country officially called Macedonia. Onoufrios d (talk) 10:51, 13 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Onoufrios d: I've removed that map image per MOS:MAC. Declangi (talk) 18:48, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unverified[edit]

I admit that arguments of such quality need to be avoided [[1]]. This claim lacks wp:verify. A constructive approach will be to provide verification since this books is offline. Per wp:AGF I won't remove it immediately.Alexikoua (talk) 04:08, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The reference has the author name, page number and quote. Since you keep adding tags to content about Albanian history or culture, it seems that your problem in not referncing itself. The Ionian Sea being called "Fusha e Zonjes" can be verified very easily in multiple other sources (e.g. [2]). And do not complain about "offline sources" since you have used such sources ("Epirus:4000 years of Greek civilization"). Ktrimi991 (talk) 09:06, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The citation is poorly referenced and offline. There is also no full quote and no ISBN. There is just a weird text

"Fushën e Zonjës, siç e quan populli çam" which is supposed to be found on pages 145, 312 and 399. No that's very bad editing: a non-productive way of adding controversial data. Also in case you have similar objections feel free to add the necessary tags (I always provide full citations with quotes and ISBNs, verification from googlebooks and I kindly suggest you should the same here.

If you have no access to this offline book then please stop using abstract argument "nah it's true" or "gazetametro -a non-scholarly source- can verify this claim". Alexikoua (talk) 23:40, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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