Talk:Henry Huttleston Rogers

Henry Huttleston Rogers was one of the Social sciences and society good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
September 14, 2005	Peer review	Reviewed
October 31, 2005	Good article nominee	Listed
November 29, 2007	Good article reassessment	Delisted

Current status: Delisted good article

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Request for Peer Review of Henry H. Rogers article[edit]

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For several years, I have been working on the article on industrialist and millionaire Henry Huttleston Rogers (1840-1909), a working class youth born and raised in Fairhaven, Massachusetts (a whaling town). In the spirit of Horatio Alger, he struck out with a small savings to find his fortune, worked hard and sacrificed, and became one of the principals of Standard Oil. As of a 1996 publication, he was considered one of the 25 most wealthy men of all-time in the United States. An unusual aspect of this fellow is that he was a generous but low profile philanthropist, even as his ruthlessness in business earned him a poor public image and the nickname "hell hound".

Although much has been written on this fascinating man, who was the Virginian Railway's co founder and financier, there has only been one true biography published to-date. The more I have learned about him, the more I want to learn (and perhaps write) more. While working on his article, I created a new one on his wife, Abbie G. Rogers, and some of the content is duplicative. After Abbie died, he cultivated friendships and financially mentored Mark Twain, Helen Keller, and did tremendous behind-the-scenes work with Ida Tarbell and Dr. Booker T. Washington. I have added Rogers related information to the articles on each of these famous people.

I would appreciate any help to improve this article. I hope other Wikipedians will also find this man to be as fascinating as I have. I think the article has even more featured article potential than the one on the Virginian Railway's other founder, William N. Page.

The article is too long. One idea I have is that we can move most of the details about his children to the separate article about his first wife and place one of those messages (ie For details on his first wife and children, see related article Abbie G. Rogers).

One last note: This article (like those on the other famous people named above) is one of those on Wikipedia which is pulled into many other web resources (mirror sites?). If you doubt this, just do a search (Google, Yahoo, etc.) on Henry Rogers, and you will see the many websites which use the current text in Wikipedia as their source. So, our efforts here may especially help Wikipedia continue to grow as a reputable and quality resource on the Internet. Please help make Henry H. Rogers a better article.

Thanks to all , Mark in the Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland 22:50, September 12, 2005 (UTC)

Images in article[edit]

I saw this article on peer review. Today I'm going to be your odd duck reviewer who cares about things you care not. :) Since wikipedia supports SVG Vector graphics as images, it is highly preferable to have logos and other simple drawings in SVG for a number of reasons. I'm going to begin opposing FACs which have a gratuitous misuse of raster art, so I thought it only fair to start bugging the people on peer review. I noticed that the article had a copyrighted logo that was very easy to redraw into a SVG, so I did using Inkscape. The VGN logo has now been replaced with a drawing I made which looks almost identical (though I made the circles more round, I doubt that effects the accuracy of the logo). The other suggestion on my list is: Include larger images if at all possible. Image:HHR_and_WNP_Initials.png is fairly low resolution and wouldn't at all be acceptable in print, and it appears you may have contact with the photograper who might have a larger version. I wouldn't oppose a FAC on this right now, but where to find larger pictures is a question that wikipedia is mailed about often. You should always use the largest resolution photograph you are able to obtain. --Gmaxwell 01:03, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Images are one of my weak areas, so the help is right on time! Here is the link to the source. Can you download it in better resolution? I have Tom Salmon's permission to use the image, and could possible get him to email you or me a better one if that needs to be done. Thanks for the help. Mark Vaoverland 01:32, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

Not a problem, but I'm going to bed I'll take a crack at it tomorrow. --Gmaxwell 06:09, 13 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

GA criteria[edit]

The criteria have recently been changed for Good Articles so that inline citations are mandatory, primarily due to an inability to truly figure out whether an article is actually referenced by the references for just one normally impartial reviwer. However, there's been a bit of a ruckus over this criteria, so i'm just giving a warning, that big list of references needs to be converted at least into a fairly decent number of inline citations. Homestarmy 17:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

a daunting task, as many of the books came from the Virginia State Library for the portion I have contributed, and I no longer live nearby. I'll start working on same as best I can. Vaoverland 22:13, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

GA Sweeps (delisted)[edit]

In order to uphold the quality of Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the GA criteria as part of the GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of November 29, 2007, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at WP:GAR. Ruslik (talk) 07:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The reasons:

1) Article contains no inline citations even for quotations.

2) The lead is too short. For such a long article it should be four paragraphs long.

Ruslik (talk) 07:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Too much Standard Oil[edit]

It seems to me that this article spends too much space discussing aspects of the growth of Standard Oil that have nothing to do with Henry Rogers. This content should be in articles about Rockefeller and Standard Oil, not here.FrankTAW (talk) 08:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Article issues[edit]

This is a "delisted good article" that is now B-class. There are several issues:

Lead[edit]

The lead, which has been previously addressed, is an issue."The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents.". "The lead should stand on its own as a concise overview of the article's topic.", and "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.". I like the last one because a good lead does not need to be referenced if it summarizes sourced content from the article. The lead in this article has one descriptive summary paragraph and a vaguely sourced quote. Within the quote was according to Tarbell, and I could not follow this out.

Content[edit]

The very large "Career" section, with fifteen subsections including two main article links, only has six references. Some sub-sections are not sourced at all. The Building Standard Oil with John D. Rockefeller subsection is not sourced.

In the Kanawha and Pocahontas Railroad Company subsection there is some comments in parenthesis that appears to be initialed by someone, "(I have never seen any documentation that involves Rogers in this railroad, and comments by Gov. MacCorkle in his book suggest that Rogers was not involved with this deal.) TWS". This might be fine in a stub article or maybe even start but if this is Wikipedia editorial comments it should be hidden at the least.

The Virginian Railway subsection is not sourced. It provides a main link to Building the Virginian Railway, that is a B-class article with severe issues, including no references to provide verifiability.

Summary[edit]

This is a 2005 article, showing 167 editors and edited 101 times by anonymous users. The article has 11 sections (in the body), nineteen sub-sections, and has only 13 references with three of those dead. This is actually a C-class article that needs a lot of work.

We owe it to Wikipedia, and ourselves as editors, to err on the side of conservatism and not advance an article that is not deserving. Otr500 (talk) 02:11, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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John D. Rockefeller arrangement with Pennsylvania R.R.[edit]

Before Rockefeller's arrangement with the railroad there was a situation in which there were trains which went to the oil depot and sometimes found no oil. The arrangement Rockefeller made with the Pennsylvania Railroad was that he committed to hire every outgoing tank car and he got a reduced rate. It became his responsibility to source the crude oil and if he did not have oil available he still paid. If any other oil shippers wanted to ship they had to pay Pennsylvania Railroad to get the use of the tank car back from Rockefeller. RichardBond (talk) 22:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]