Talk:Osage Indian murders

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Unmentioned is that the US Congress intentionally passed a law allowing the Indians to be cheated. The 1925 change in the law was not to correct an accident. The corruption in this cause went all the way to Washington DC. 2601:181:8301:4510:6DC9:B6B:E5A6:D379 (talk) 03:19, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Adding more information on Anna Brown's death and correcting a typo on a name[edit]

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I am currently adding two more sentences on Anna Brown's death as well as correcting Bryan Burkhart's name in the Charges and Trials section. Bryan Burkhart's name is spelled Bryan, not Bryon as listed in the section Charges and Trials. Also, Kelsie Morrison named another person as helping him with Anna Brown the night of her murder. Let me know what your thoughts are on this new addition. I hope what I provided is another building block in helping this article to grow. Acgates (talk) 23:22, 9 February 2018 (UTC)acgates[reply]

Editing a relationship error and providing a citation for it[edit]

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I have recognized an error in regards to an addition I made to the article in Feb. 2018. First of all, I listed Bryan Burkhart as Anna Brown's ex-husband, but he is actually an ex-boyfriend. They had an "on again, off again relationship"^[1]. This was also flagged as citation needed however, I added the proper citation and removed the citation needed tag. Acgates (talk) 22:18, 21 June 2018 (UTC)acgates[reply]

References

^ Grann, David (2017). Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI (Kindle ed.). New York: Doubleday. p. 12. ISBN 9780385534253.

Doesn't make sense[edit]

"At that time, eight lawyers were working in Pawhuska, the Osage County seat, which had 8,000 residents. The number of lawyers was said to be as great as Oklahoma City, which had 140,000 residents." 137.188.108.54 (talk) 20:37, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems clear to me. Pawhuska had eight lawyers for 8,000 people and Oklahoma City also had eight lawyers, despite having a much larger population of 140,000 residents. But I'll reword it more clearly, just in case. JezGrove (talk) 22:33, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Or in both locations there were 8 lawyers per 8000 inhabitants, which makes 17.5 lawyers in Oklahoma City, and 8 in Osage County. Mr.Lovecraft (talk) 13:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The target of the murders[edit]

It says the mastermind of the murders were William Hale, but he seems to have been murdering his own family, so were the murdered family members part of the Osage Nation? 80.195.3.151 (talk) 00:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Brown, Lizzie Q, Anna Sanford, William Vaughn, Henry Roan, Rita Smith 80.195.3.151 (talk) 00:40, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The murdered family was Osage. Hale was not, but his family had married into the Osage family. The murders were so his relatives could inherit from their murdered in-laws. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 22:48, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What about other 100+ victims? 147.161.130.201 (talk) 10:14, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer: a lot of unsolved murders in Osage County. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 15:08, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of guardianship law[edit]

From the intro: "The United States Congress passed a law requiring half or full-blood Osage to have White guardians to oversee their management of wealth from the oil. They had to get approval for expenses and management of their own affairs. Many such guardianships became means for Whites to exploit the Osage and gain control of their wealth."

It seems more accurate to describe the law itself as exploitative. The current language, especially the final sentence, implies there were non-exploitative white guardians, which seems at odds with the nature of this relationship.

I think it would be appropriate to change the language last sentence to something like, "The United States Congress passed a law requiring half or full-blood Osage deemed "incompetent" to have White guardians to oversee their management of wealth from the oil. They had to get approval for expenses and management of their own affairs. This law became a means for Whites to exploit the Osage and gain control of their wealth." MoriniFrancoMotori (talk) 20:45, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Text of the law can be found here: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2010-title25/html/USCODE-2010-title25-chap9.htm MoriniFrancoMotori (talk) 20:46, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Genocide[edit]

This article has been added to categories and infoboxes about genocide. Yet the article itself does not mention the term, and a Google Scholar search for "osage genocide" does not bring up anything labelling the murders genocide. Eldomtom2 (talk) 18:31, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Grann, David (2017). Killers of the Flower Moon: The Osage Murders and the Birth of the FBI (Kindle ed.). New York: Doubleday. p. 12. ISBN 9780385534253.

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