Talk:Francisco Tárrega

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Nokia tune[edit]

NokiaInfo says that the default tune for Nokia is from Gran Vals, one one of Tárrega's works. Can anyone confirm this? --romanm (talk) 18:50, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yes that's really.

Uxío.

Indeed it is. I have a recording of Tom Kerstens playing it. It's much less annoying in context, as the phrase only appears twice in the whole piece! Matve 00:39, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've put a link for the song under external links.. just for people to check it out. Could someone link it to text in main article? - pv --69.134.189.124 (talk) 02:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is the antedote about the conception of Lagrima appropriate in context? It's interesting but I don't know if it's suitable in an encyclopedia entry. -JG

Why did Tarrega compose Gran Vals if it was going to be stolen by Nokia a century down the track? 218.101.117.157 07:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is the nokia ringtone from Tarrega Gran Vals... the melody is certanly the same... but could this be only casuality... thats a good question ... nokia should make a statement —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.131.4.124 (talk) 20:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Nokia contention (which by the way, is not supported with a citation) is trivia that does not belong in an encyclopedia article about Tarrega. TheScotch (talk) 06:51, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The "Nokia contention" is well supported at Nokia tune and widely elsewhere. I'm going to restore that section because it's of immense interest, despite the recent decline of Nokia. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're following me about being intentionally obstructive and deliberately obtuse. If the Nokia contention belonged in this article, which it clearly does not, it would need to be supported by a citation here. That shouldn't need pointing out. TheScotch (talk) 08:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just wondering what the exact meaning of "encyclopaedic" is, and whether this is largely a subjective matter of judgement. The "Nokia" phrase is extremely well-known, although its origin probably much less so; and I believe a mention of it would be appropriate in this article.

I personally feel any interesting facts about the subject of an article can be included, and I'm a bit dubious about attempts to judge whether they are "trivial", "encyclopaedic", or any other such subjective judgements. Back in the days when "trivia" sections were common here, and apparently approved, I often found them very interesting and informative, and they often collected together facts that might be quite difficult to find in any other sources.

Any addition to knowledge is a good thing, I feel, and very properly belongs in Wikipedia if it can be verified. M.J.E. (talk) 17:22, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Correct date of death in summary?[edit]

The body of this article as well as the Grove Dictionary of Music list Dec 15 for the date of his death, which disagrees with the December 2 date on the current page's "Background information" section. I changed this to match the Dec 15 date. Hopefully that is OK.

That's ok! And the death of the father was 1885 (in: Pujol, Rius or Braemer) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.116.186 (talk) 10:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Siblings?[edit]

The biography section mentions Tarrega's "siblings" repeatedly. Shouldn't it be "children"?

Name change[edit]

I have reverted the good faith edit which changed Tárrega's name to

Francesc d'Asís Tàrrega i Eixea

There are several reasons for reverting the edit, not least of which is that the English-language Wikipedia uses the name by which a person is known in English because otherwise there would be great confusion. If suitably referenced (i.e. reliable source) the name can be added after the better-known name, which is the title of the article, and is what often happens with names in Japanese, Chinese, Arabic, and so on. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 20:15, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but the correct name is "only":

Francisco Tárrega Eixea

Greetings —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.19.116.186 (talk) 10:32, 14 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Francisco T'arrega Eixea and Mar'ia had four more children 1. Mar'ia Josefa 2. Francisco 3. Mar'ia Rosal'ia 4. Concepci'on —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.131.4.124 (talk) 22:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why exactly the correct name could only be Francisco Tárrega Eixea? In the way Wikipedia works, have you sources supporting that? Are you sure the tilde in Tárrega is going to the right instead to the left as in Tàrrega, which is the right spelling in valencian/catalan nowadays? I would advocate the fact that probably in this historical moment Tàrrega himself wrote without tilde at all and had no worries about these issues. But neither I have sources to support that, so, while I respect the decision to revert the name change (which I've not made, by the way), I suggest you to keep a buffer for uncertainity before declaring your truths absolute in a discussion like this. Greetings, Raimon --80.174.191.129 (talk) 19:17, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Biography[edit]

the second 'sentence' is confusing and grammatically incorrect: "An infection permanently impaired his eyesight and when the family moved to Castelló where the child was enrolled in music classes." -- it could mean, "An infection permanently impaired his eyesight, therefore the family moved to Castelló so that the child could be enrolled in music classes."; it could also mean, "When the family moved to Castelló the child was enrolled in music classes, but an infection permanently impaired his eyesight." etc -- Oniscoid (talk) 09:29, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The meaning could be clarified as: "An infection permanently impaired his eyesight in his childhood. Around that time the family moved to Castellón where the child was enrolled in music classes." However, according to the Catalan and Spanish Wikipedias, there is some sense in the original mangled syntax because the full story is slightly more interesting: he ran away from his nanny and fell into an irrigation channel and injured his eyes. Fearing that his son might lose his sight completely, his father moved the family to Castellón to attend music classes because as a musician he would be able to earn a living, even if blind. This is Wikipedia, the encyclopedia that everyone can edit; if you find something confusing and grammatically incorrect, you are encouraged to improve it – WP:SOFIXIT. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the explanation, and your encouragement re editing wp pages -- however this is not my subject area, the author's meaning is unclear, and i have no references -- therefore on this occasion it would seem best to leave it to another -- Oniscoid (talk) 20:38, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Small intimate performances"?[edit]

Re: "Tárrega preferred small intimate performances over the concert stage. Some believe this was because he played without the nails needed for volume. Others say this was related to his childhood trauma."

Who are these "some" and "others"? Why should the desire for "small intimate performances" require a psychological explanation? The guitar is inherently a soft, intimate instrument. Why should it be surprising that someone attracted to the guitar is also attracted to "small intimate performances"? Couldn't it be that one of the reasons Tárrega played without nails (aside from improved tone quality, that is) is that he recognized the futility in trying to turn an inherently soft instrument into a loud intstrument? Neither the nails nor the performances need be the reason for the other but can more logically be explained as related to a common (and easily defensible) aesthetic. And, by the way, shouldn't there be a comma between small and intimate?--or do we mean in contradistinction to large intimate performances? TheScotch (talk) 06:44, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Like the whole article, that paragraph is unsourced, although long-standing. I believe it was added by User:Miguelemejia on 8 November 2006. The normal procedure is to request citations; otherwise the whole article will have to be emptied. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's true that the article is currently lacking citations (although it does include a "References" section), but that's completely (and obviously) irrelevant to my above complaint. As a rule, some and others used in this way are "weasel words". If we had citations for the opinions hiding behind these weasel words and we deemed that the holders of these opinions were notable, we should still need to identify the holders in the main body of the article's text.TheScotch (talk) 09:01, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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otolaryngologist[edit]

Is this true? When? 2603:8081:4C00:1FF6:F479:68CF:4912:A619 (talk) 02:52, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Blind classical musicians[edit]

The article only mentions that he hurt his eyes and that his father feared his son would go completely blind, but not that it ever actually happened. 89.64.70.181 (talk) 16:28, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]