Talk:New Zealand national rugby union team

Why has the history of the ABs been suddenly turned into "Henry" and Hansen" eras

Has the article been attacked by an 18 year old with no knowledge of history?

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2022

>Request to edit and update the All Blacks info, up to 16 July 2022 AmarikSZN (talk) 10:23, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Request to edit, Thanks AmarikSZN (talk) 10:24, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:39, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles/2020/2004–2009

I reviewed the article as part of the Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles/2020/2004–2009 and I found the following problems. If these aren't addressed then the article will need a featured article review in due course.

• The lead contains peacock terms.
• The lead is 6 paragraphs long
• The Hansen era section contains 2 paragraphs that are unreferenced
• The foster era section has no references at all
• The tri nation series contains no references
• The current squad has no references

Desertarun (talk) 20:16, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

update due

2023 squad announced today. 49.185.200.83 (talk) 08:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Win rate?

Early in the article it states a winning record of 76%, later on it says 76.95%. Should the first figure be rounded to 77%? Maybe just verify in case I'm mis-reading. 125.238.239.27 (talk) 08:16, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 21 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus, WP:CONSISTENT. – robertsky (talk) 13:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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New Zealand national rugby union team → All Blacks – All Blacks is by far the WP:COMMONNAME, and I personally did not understand just by looking at the title that this article was referring to the All Blacks. Looking on Google Scholar, "All Blacks" has 7,180 results whereas "New Zealand national rugby union team" has 39.

This article was moved from All Blacks in 2008, which I disagree with the reasoning for. For one, it cites consistency with other articles which is an argument to avoid, and there is no sports naming convention which gives precedence to the current name. Another point in that discussion was that non-New Zealand countries refer to it as "New Zealand" rather than "All Blacks", but it appears to me that media headlines refer to it as "All Blacks", eg here, here, here, and here, so it shouldn't cause confusion to readers. —Panamitsu (talk) 10:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 08:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support: Everyone knows this team as the "All Blacks". As long as the previous name remains as a redirect, then we're OK. PatricKiwi (talk) 10:31, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose This is a contentious one. All other articles for national rugby times have this title, however they are probably the only side with a nickname so widely used. However, I don't think anything has changed since the last request move as mentioned above to warrant a move. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 20:03, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as per WP:CONSISTENT. Remember not all national rugby teams have such a memorable nickname so it stands to reason we follow the simple Wikipedia policy to be consistent with our titles for national teams. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

  I disagree with this because oftentimes the common name is used to break consistency if it is far more widely known. For example we have wheat which uses the common name rather than the genus name Triticum despite almost every plant article using a scientific name. —Panamitsu (talk) 09:05, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

  • Except for national sports teams, we always use "<country> national <sports> team". I cannot think of another case where we would use the nickname rather than the formal, consistent title. I submit that wheat reference to be a WP:OTHER argument (not to mention that we don't tend to use Latin titles as per WP:EN). CONSISTENT is a policy so it makes sense we continue to follow it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:24, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

    Oh yes, looking at the categories they do all follow that structure, thanks for the explanation! —Panamitsu (talk) 21:37, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:CONSISTENT. All Blacks is a redirect to here, so we're OK. Paora (talk) 23:59, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Jake Wartenberg (talk) 20:43, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:CONSISTENT. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

• I am disappointed this RM was held when it was, because I would certainly have !voted to move. Consistency does not override common name, concision and recognisability when they all prefer the proposed name. Especially when there is good reason to consider that the other teams this page is generally grouped with could well be moved too (Wallabies and Springboks). — HTGS (talk) 21:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)