Talk:Johan Santana

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Wrong Info[edit]

Under the 2010 season it says "Reports have Santana not being able to return to the team until the second half of the 2011 season after having rotator cuff surgery." We now know, of course, that he did not return until the 2012 season (as reflected in the next section). Can someone with permission change this? Clsjon (talk) 15:00, 2 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

it says santana has the most expensive contract for a pitcher; it was changed when cc sabathia won a contract with the yankees. please somebody correct it. Jonathansuh (talk) 21:25, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

change[edit]

changed meters per second to kph. iirc kph is preferred to mps in baseball outside the U.S. Drunkasian 2005-05-29 16:58 (EST)

That may be, but kph is not an acceptable symbol. Gene Nygaard 02:55, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

What about km/h? Jonathansuh (talk) 21:27, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Photo?[edit]

Since the only photo that the powers that be will let be put up is one by one's own camra we need someone who is going to Mets Spring traing to take their own new Picture of Johan Santana witch can be posted.DLA75 (talk) 16:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The powers that be are doing the right thing by deleting images that don't belong to Wikipedia, so please relax about the Santana photo. There will be a FREE (as in not stolen) one of him on WP soon enough - maybe taken by me if I can make it to Port St. Lucie Googie man (talk) 04:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox[edit]

If no one objects, I will replace the current infobox with Template:Mlbplayer. You can see an example of this template in use at Torii Hunter. There are plans to use it for every current MLB player as a part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball players. If you have any suggestions for the template or just want to help out with the project, leave a message on the project's talk page. android 79 01:50, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Since I haven't heard any objections, I will go ahead and make this change. android 79 02:22, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

Horrible biography... I don't see how you can say most of his career he was a long-reliever, when he's only been in the majors about five years and half that time he has been one of the most dominant starters in all of baseball (not to mention that he will NEVER go back to the bullpen). He was always meant to be a starter, it was just a matter of time before this happened (the Twins are notorious for developing young starting pitcher prospects by using them in the bullpen first, the most recent example being Francisco Liriano). Plus his change-up is actually a circle-change, and there should be some mention of how it is the best change-up in baseball. Cy-young winner! No mention of this in the biography? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.123.220.150 (talk • contribs) 8 June 2006

Change his picture since hes a met change it 2 a mets one. theyre are plenty of them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.33.185 (talk) 02:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stats[edit]

I added a majority of Santana's 2006 data to the chart near the bottom of the page, however I couldn't find his BF (Batters Faced) so if anyone could grab that that would be great. I also didn't have time to update his career totals, so if anyone has the time to do that that would be awesome.

The career ERA stat in the info box at the top didn't match the ERA in the Career Statistics toward the bottom, I changed it to 3.22 which i believe is right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwold (talk • contribs) 18:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update stats[edit]

Up by his pic and stuff I edited the stats to 78 - 31.

Kblavie 23:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Kblavie[reply]

Vandalism[edit]

Yeah... stop changing Santana's current team. He is still a Twin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.99.137.186 (talk) 02:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

actually.. he is a met. he was a met before to. he was just not under contract due to a no-trade clause —Preceding unsigned comment added by Coreyr107000 (talk • contribs) 01:18, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mets[edit]

Yes - there is a trade that has been agreed upon between the Twins and the Mets. However - this trade is not official until the Mets and Santana agree on a contract extension. Until then - he is still a Twin. Please stop changing his infobox to the Mets. Contract negotiations are never a given. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 22:13, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its OFFICIAL, he's met, pending physical. According to associated press his contract $150.75 million dollars for 7 years. Rhcp1016 (talk) 01:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pending physical.... hence its NOT official........... JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 01:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok pending physical...due to that small technicality. However, that information should be shown. Rhcp1016 (talk) 01:29, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's made perfectly clear in the text... Until then - he is still officially a member of the Minnesota Twins.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 01:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ok but in the text it also says details about his contract if he passes the physical. The contract is for 7 years $150.75 million, that is if he passes the physical, i understand that.Rhcp1016 (talk) 01:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's a contract extension - and it's for 6 years.JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 01:37, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

its for 7 years! 150.75 million and i quote the associated press: "NEW YORK (AP) — Johan Santana and the New York Mets agreed Friday to a $150.75 million, seven-year contract, a record for a pitcher and the last major step needed to finalize the team's blockbuster trade with Minnesota."Rhcp1016 (talk) 01:40, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's misleading. As I already wrote - he has 1 year left - that is included in the 7 years that the AP is reporting. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 01:43, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

see the NY times article - they do a better job explaining this [1] JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 01:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I changed him to a Met. the trade is final now

His contract is for 152 million according to ny times...get you're facts straight.Rhcp1016 (talk) 01:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Heyman explains it. [2] JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 01:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

exactly in total it is 150.75 million for 7 years. in total, that's what i have been saying all along! do you not understand?Rhcp1016 (talk) 01:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Read the sentence I have written VERY carefully.... "ON TOP" of the 1 year remaining of his current deal... Mets are (going to be) signing him to a contract extension.... The last year of his current deal is still valid... Use some common sense. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 01:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and along with the contract the total will be 150.75 for seven years. THANK YOURhcp1016 (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ok, thank you, he WOULD be guranteed if it is settled. thank you. i'm glad to see someone is working hard on keeping the article rightRhcp1016 (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I never said that wasn't the total.... but that wasn't what you were writing in the article. My sentence was about the extension... JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 02:03, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i had misunerstood what u had said, but i was referring to the total. and second, isnt it due up in 2015? 1 year with the twins contract and 6 more with mets is a total of 7 ending in 2015.Rhcp1016 (talk) 02:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know you had the right intentions... and as for the final year... here's the 7: 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014 JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 02:09, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

alright, glad we settled that. good luck keeping away the vandalismRhcp1016 (talk) 02:10, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He was signed to a 6 year $137.5 extension of a 1 year $13.25 contract for a total of 7 years $150.75. Its up to 2014. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brian DB 38 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Protect[edit]

I think this page needs to be protected. --Street20 (talk) 22:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Working on it. I'm too involved in the article to do it myself, looking for an outside opinion. Keeper | 76 22:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've protected the article for three days. The potential trade should be cleared up by then. Reso lute 23:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Way too early for semi-protection. There was only one anon. editor who was vandalising the page. Other editors were simply adding speculative info in good faith. --Madchester (talk) 23:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep reading down the page history. This page has been continually vandalized by several IPs since the end of the 2007 baseball season. It's only going to get worse as the trade talks go through and are finalized. And it's only for three days, then it's an onus back to us daily editors to fight off the Twins fans as they try to make him back into a Twin. -) Cheers, Keeper | 76 23:05, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good faith is a couple of attempts. I see four separate IP's being reverted multiple times in the last 50 edits alone. At some point, trying to brute force the same speculation into an article crosses past good faith into disruption. I am certain the anon users meant well, but this page needed to be semi'd. Reso lute 23:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wow, is the entire state of minnesota on wki tonight?[edit]

You guys just can't stand that Santana is a Met, can you? Just give the colors, already. EmperorNero (talk) 01:55, 2 February 2008 (UTC) no, look im from minnesota and i know its final[reply]

protected?[edit]

I don't understand, is the article protected ot not?--brew crewer (yada, yada) 02:08, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only protected against non-wiki members. If you are new to wiki, then you cannot edit it.Rhcp1016 (talk) 02:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's IP's with no contrib history editing the page.--brew crewer (yada, yada) 02:16, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It was for 3 days.... it most likely expired. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 02:17, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So the tag and "lock" have to be removed? I thought that it's programmed to removed itself after the protection is over. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 02:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a bot that automatically removes lock icons from non protected pages when it is run. I'll remove it now, since the semi-protection has indeed expired. Reso lute 06:20, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So out of curiousity, why didn't the bot do it in this case? --brew crewer (yada, yada) 10:47, 2 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If it is like most bots, it will only check when it is run. That would require its owner to run it, and since I saw the question a little over an hour after the protection expired, it's owner most likely just hadn't been operating it during that time. Reso lute 07:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Non-shortened season[edit]

FTA: "No pitcher in Major League Baseball won 20 games in the 2006 season, the first time in modern major league history this occurred in a non-shortened season."

This is redundant and needless. If you can count, you should be able to understand that shortening the season (thereby eliminating potential starts) isn't likely to produce MORE 20-game winners. I'm removing this (please restore if you can really justify the inclusion). 76.237.176.138 (talk) 17:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Professional career[edit]

Two articles in the NY Post and NY Times have more information on his background. I tried to add them, however something is not working as the Preview of the changes look nothing like the changes I make. Here is what I'm trying to add. I'd like to see if someone else could try it since it doesn't seem to work for me. IceDrake523 (talk) 04:59, 5 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Santana was discovered in 1994 by Andrés Reiner, a scout who was working for the Houston Astros at the time. He signed Santana and sent him to his academy in Guacara in January of 1995. Santana did not like it and almost left before Reiner convinced him to stay. While originally a center field, Santana was converted to a pitcher at the academy due to his arm speed. In 1999 he was named the Tovar Mérida Athlete of the Year. After the 1999 major league season, he was left unprotected by the Houston Astros and eligible in the Rule V draft. The Twins had the first pick that year, the Marlins the second. The Twins made a deal with the Marlins: the Twins would draft Jared camp with their first pick and the Marlins would draft Santana and would trade the two players with Minnesota receiving $500,000 to cover their pick.

Here are the sources: NY Times article http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/sports/baseball/31scout.html?ex=1359435600&en=334dc68c9d6fc085&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

NY Post article http://www.nypost.com/seven/02032008/sports/mets/many_twists__turns_in_johans_journey_893005.htm?page=1

Looks like it was taken care of. --brew crewer (yada, yada) 07:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yay Pic[edit]

I added a picture I captured at the game today. Enjoy!

EmperorNero (talk) 02:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How bout the fact that someone could've won 20 in '94 even though it was shortened and ended in mid-August due to the strike, so put it back in —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.122.127.162 (talk) 21:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Overhaul of first paragraph.[edit]

The first paragraph contained a bunch of redundant information, I thought. I added the fact that he's a Cy Young winner, removed the contract talk, added circle change info (and wiki linked it), etc. If anyone disagrees, feel free to revert to whatever you feel is necessary, but I think it reads a bit better now. RiSK (talk) 06:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pitcher of the Month[edit]

I am assuming we are just leaving out all of Johan's Pitcher of the Month awards? 69.116.10.109 (talk) 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

100-120 mph fastball?[edit]

Is this a page for Johan Santana or some mutant baseball player with a cannon for an arm? 120? BrainRotMenacer (talk) 16:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

EPIC. FAIL.[edit]

Someone keeps updating this protected page trying to document his every start, even ones that are not even notable. I removed them, but they keep return and editing it. I'm not mad or anything, but I'm wondering if anyone is noticing. He/She is posting crazy numbers (before I fixed it) that even the career stats, ERA and Team history was just...plain...wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshison (talk • contribs) 02:13, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moving No-han reference to article body[edit]

Because it's too soon IMO to know if it will really stick as a nickname. Also added salary ranking in the contract section, and did some minor cleanup. --Threephi (talk) 17:20, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Johan_Santana&diff=prev&oldid=273275838[edit]

pls take a look on this edit from 2009. I've no idea if its vandalism or its true, but for me it seems to be false NobbiP (talk) 11:07, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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