Talk:Noodle

Nomenclature

Etymology

"The word noodle derives from German "Nudel", meaning pasta." That`s incorrect, it derives from the Latin word Nodus!

Actually, both are right - it's Latin via German. I've corrected this. Rd232 12:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

My edition of the Oxford English Dictionary does not show the latin nodus root and but says the root is unclear. It does give the German "nudel". Can someone give us a roman use of nodus relating to some food? I found the history of pasta very interesting. While cooked noodles can look like a knot, it's English roots are not clear. --Rcollman 12:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

It should say 'the English word, noodle, derives...'73.17.29.40 (talk) 23:34, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Terminology

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My ex-wife used to claim vehemently that "noodles" were a food distinct from "spaghetti", and got all jumping up and down whenever anyone spoke of "spaghetti noodles". I have no way of knowing the basis for her assertion, but thought that Wikipedia might shed some light. The existing article appears to contradict, but I wonder whether anyone else has information to confirm or deny my ex's passionately held belief. Dbhelphrey 21:27, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I was taught that it's not a "noodle" unless egg went into making it - if there wasn't egg, such as in spaghetti, it's "pasta." However, this notion doesn't seem like it extends well to the very wide diversity of noodles beyond Italian pasta. Nerwen 08:07, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Nope. Noodle refers to the shape, so spaghetti are one kind of noodle but lasagna isn't.116.231.247.249 (talk) 04:17, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

In terms of coverage, isn't the term "pasta" subordinate to "noodle"? Lynyrdjym (talk) 05:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Pasta includes foods that aren't noodles, like lasagna.116.231.247.249 (talk) 04:17, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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This article evokes the impression that noodles are an exclusively Asian type of food. The list of types states only Asian ones. This is highly inaccurate. Noodles exist in many different countries. Especially Italian noodles ("pasta") are known throughout the world.

Reading this article, one might think that 'noodle' is an Asian dish, and 'pasta' an Italian one. Of course, this is not so. "Pasta" is merely the Italian word for "noodle". The abundance of Italian noodles (350 varieties) justify a separate Pasta article. But this should not lead to the Noodle article dealing with Asian noodles only.

I have removed the statement that pasta is an Italian type of noodle dish for of the aforementioned reasons, and instead added pasta to the list of Wheat types of noodles. I have also added the German "spätzle" to that list. The whole article ought to be rewritten, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.177.155.119 (talk) 18:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Noodle is not an Asian food, as such. But nor is the term used for spaghetti or pasta. Noodles are really a sub-type of pasta, aren't they?124.197.15.138 (talk) 06:32, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Noodles are a shape grouping including many foods that are not pasta. Pasta are a locale grouping including several foods that aren't noodles.116.231.247.249 (talk) 04:17, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

In common use (see below), noodle is precisely a term for Asian food and "Italian noodles" are just pasta (even though they happen to also be noodles). Sorry you're so confused on the point, but talk to more native speakers and check the sources and it'll help out. (At the same time, pasta should be mentioned as "an Italian style of noodles".)116.231.247.249 (talk) 04:20, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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Is there a difference between noodles and pasta? Or is it just that people use different words for the same thing? Personally, I think that noodles are thinner and more curvy than pasta, and spaghetti is pasta simply because the Italians made it.90.230.80.104 (talk) 20:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

From the way I see it, all pastas are noodles but not all noodles are pastas? --Philip Laurence (talk) 00:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Most pastas (but not bowtie pasta or lasagna, e.g.) are noodles but many noodles aren't pastas.116.231.247.249 (talk) 04:17, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I think the word "noodle", at least in American English, is more commonly used to refer to something that has a long stringy shape that can wind around a fork. Couscous, for example, is pasta, but I NEVER hear it called "noodles". 12.31.187.178 (talk) 22:00, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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The article says "In American English, noodles is a generic term for unleavened dough made from many types of ingredients." So what are noodles in other varieties of English? Wakablogger2 (talk) 22:35, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

In British English, noodles refer to asian noodles, and pasta refers to "noodles" made in the Italian style. It would be extremely unusual to describe pasta as noodles in British English. 2.25.14.7 (talk) 23:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Would you happen to have a reliable source for your statement? Otherwise we cannot implement it into the article as it would be wp:OR, meaning your personal opinion on it.TMCk (talk) 01:50, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

TMCk, the Encyclopaedia Britannica makes a clear distinction between pasta and noodles along the British lines. BBC Food organises noodles as a subsection of pasta, and Macmillan Dictionary classes noodles as a type of pasta. While you call for reliable sources, there is no reference to a reliable source anywhere which describes pasta as a subset of noodles on this page. But because that's American usage, it's considered correct without citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.221.99.110 (talk) 13:22, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Even in American English, spaghetti are usually called pasta; they just also happen to be noodles. (And that's true in British English as well, per the dictionaries above.) At the same time, noodles are not a "generic term for unleavened dough": it has to be formed into strips or strings of some sort. Matzo balls or crackers are not noodles in any sense.116.231.247.249 (talk) 04:17, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

italy=pasta and asia=noodles is the common usage in the Scandinavian countries too. alfi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.49.214.23 (talk) 15:43, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

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There's a great state of confusion here. Let's make it clear that Noodle has nothing to do with Pasta. Pasta is Pasta and Noodle is an English word used by Anglo-saxon speakers to name the chinese pasta. You can't call pasta as noodle because they are two completely different things. Pasta is every product made from Flour that is cooked in the italian style period. Noodle is every other product that is not made on the italian style way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.35.59.181 (talk) 12:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Nope, sounds like you got it mixed up. "Noodle" is now an English word used by English speakers to describe every noodle out there, including pasta. "Pasta" is an Italian noodle that comes in lots of different shapes and sizes. Boneyard90 (talk) 14:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

That's American English only, but good job being patronising. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.206.201 (talk) 01:14, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Boneyard90 is wrong. Alfi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.49.214.23 (talk) 15:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Looks like we have more opinions than we do sources. Boneyard90 (talk) 20:33, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Nah. Look at the first sentence of pasta or wikt:noodle. You could multiply out the dictionary links, but forgive me for going the easy route and just linking to google queries for define:pasta and define:noodle. In short, noodle refers to a shape and pasta to a locale, so that they are mostly (but not completely) overlapping ideas related to cooking unleavened dough in easily-consumed portions. Most forms of pasta are noodles (and should be mentioned here), but lasagna and bowtie pasta aren't.116.231.247.249 (talk) 04:05, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I could go along with that. Boneyard90 (talk) 16:33, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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Crystal from ocean is the biggest noodle of them all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhstealth (talk • contribs) 06:02, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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Given the confusion and differing opinions (see https://www.chowhound.com/post/noodles-pasta-793188 and discussion above), it is unfortunate that our article. starts using the word "pasta" without preamble or clarification. Yes, there is a note of Italy/Italian, but this is not clear as to what that means. The section needs to be cleaned up for the possibly multitudes of readers coming to the article trying to understand what is pasta, what is noodle and how if ever the twain doth meet.Kdammers (talk) 03:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

History

Inventors

You cant say, that Italian people claim to have invented noodles! They only claim, that they have taken over this tradition from Etruscans and Greeks. Its also wrong to say, the Chinese can claim for this invention, because at that time there was no such thing as "China" in any form. The people of the Quijia-Culture are also believed to be under the first groups in this region to have produced bronce, wich came relatively late to Asia from the West. So maybe the art of making noodles came alongside with the art of making bronce, or maybe it didnt. Nationalism and cuisine sucks anyway. -- 62.178.137.216 21:16, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Mention may be made of Marco Polo who brought spaghetti back to Italy from China. The Travels of Marco Polo supposedly backs this up and I will download from Gutenberg to investigate. At the very least it is a common legend among the Italian people.

He couldn't have brought back "spaghetti" from China. They created their own versions of noodles from the Chinese ones. 66.91.211.32 09:09, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Where is the evidence for the Marco Polo connection??? Gotofritz (talk) 20:50, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure they claim the invention of noodles, since the Italians were at the height of European civilization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.38.205.160 (talk) 23:18, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

In case this discussion is still of interest, there is a good article on this on Itriya was also known by the Aramaic speakers under the persian sphere and during the islamic rule referred to small soup noodle prepared by twisting bits of kneaded dough into shape. . It explains why the theory of Marco Polo bringing Pasta to Italy from China is not logical. --CuriousHypatia 22:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curioushypatia (talk • contribs)

The origin of noodles is uncertain, and has been alternatively attributed to people of Arabian, Mediterranean or East Asian origin. But it is clear that noodles were not invented in People's Republic of China, as the article now implies. If at all, they were invented by people who lived in an area that is today part of this country, which came to existence only in 1949.TippTopp (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

It was invented by crystal from ocean because she is the original noodle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhstealth (talk • contribs) 07:40, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

References

Old noodles

I don't think this quote is correct: "The 4,000-year-old noodles appear to have been made from noodles and broomcorn millet." Shouldn't it read, "The 4,000-year-old noodles appear to have been made from broomcorn millet."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.188.210.43 (talk) 05:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1012_051012_chinese_noodles.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.109.82.120 (talk) 10:02, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4335160.stm

http://www.livescience.com/402-world-oldest-noodles-alter-view-ancient-diet.html

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-5894174-7.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.109.82.120 (talk) 10:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Crystal is the oldest noodle of them all — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhstealth (talk • contribs) 07:43, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Types of noodle dishes

I went along with this subheading. There was not a basic or simple noodle. There are so many ways to make them. I would like to see less pasta examples and more diverse cultural examples of the used of unleavened dough that are called noodles in english. Thinking about linking and the category(s) or template around noodle. Another day. --Rcollman 13:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I think its wrong to omit Italian noodles since they have been influential in creating many of the varieties mentioned in this article. They are also responsible for other types not mentioned in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.124.162.54 (talk) 09:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

--I don't see how having only one type of Italian noodle listed qualifies as "diverse." You have a dozen Asian noodles and one western noodle. That seems like bringing diversity so far to the other side that it becomes anti-diversity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.207.237 (talk) 17:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Acorn noodle?

Is the "acorn noodle" really made with marmalade?? Mbuyum (talk) 22:12, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

This page is constantly being vandalised = are there any steps we can take on Wikipedia to protect it? Kunchan (talk) 17:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

There are but I wouldn't say there has been a sufficient abuse of editing priviledges to warrant a lock RaseaC (talk) 17:04, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

It's probably because it shouldn't exist. The Chinese seem to take it seriously, however. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.39.86 (talk) 00:38, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Production methods

I was hoping to find information on how to make noodles. Evidently there is a pulling method, hinted at in the description of lamian. Is that the same as stretching? Other aspects of production perhaps include mixing, kneading and hanging, though I'm just guessing. Wakablogger2 (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Here are some links to production equipment and steps: [[1]] Taiwan LIH Tay, [[2]] Dashanjiang Machine Works, [[3]] Nanjing City Yangzi Grain and Oil Food Processing Machinery. Wakablogger2 (talk) 23:01, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

What makes noodles noodles and not bread.

Why do noodles retain form while soup turns bread and crackers to mush?

If you have the time.

Thanks for the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.210.155.182 (talk) 00:33, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Great question. Wish I could answer with more authority on the subject, but here's how I understand it: noodles are unleavened dough; bread and crackers are both leavened with yeast (cracker dough gets an extra step before baking, see Saltine cracker), therefore bread and crackers are porous, so liquids can infiltrate the soft portion of the bread/cracker, further breaking down the structural integrity. Unleavened breads are not porous; ever eat soup in one of those bread-bowls at Panera deli? Unleavened bread: it resists a soaking. Boneyard90 (talk) 14:18, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Egg Noodles

"Egg noodles" redirects to this article, and there is even a picture of egg noodles shown, but no mention of them in the article text. I was searching for egg noodles, wondering what they were actually made of and why there were commonly called "egg noodles", and found no answers on wikipedia. siafu (talk) 19:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

This, exactly. Did someone misedit the article or something?116.231.247.249 (talk) 03:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

me too, got here via search for "egg noodles". I think this wikipedia entry spends too much energy on where a particular noodle 'dialect' originates from and too little on what's in them. Not one note of (I assume jewish?) egg noodles in the whole article but buckwheat soba and whole wheat udon get a mention. 24.177.200.27 (talk) 06:58, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you should look under pasta, because we all know there aren't enough WP articles about noodles. Wow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.194.39.86 (talk) 00:36, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Dan Bloch (talk) 20:35, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

{{Noodle}} navbox

Merge request here. Templates {{Pasta}} and {{Chinese noodles}} have been proposed to be merged into {{Noodle}}. --Cold Season (talk) 05:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Itriya

Balashon - Hebrew Language Detective: itriya. It's sort of like a pasta, but here's the etymology. Komitsuki (talk) 06:15, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Grammar

There's something wrong here. The first two words of this article are "Noodle are". The plural of noodle is noodles. It should be either "Noodle is" or "Noodles are".86.138.212.131 (talk) 11:37, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

 Done - Boneyard90 (talk) 13:01, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Noodle is a very thin, long strip of pasta

- according to a very reliable dictionary. 85.193.217.151 (talk) 00:42, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I can't agree with the word "reliable" there; you're confusing a mischievously deceptive site with the Oxford English Dictionary. So, I wouldn't trust your link. Klbrain (talk) 19:49, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

"noodles simply cannot be produced from millet, a cereal that lacks gluten"

The paragraph in question: "In 2005, a team of archaeologists working in the People's Republic of China reported finding an earthenware bowl that contained foxtail millet and broomcorn millet.[4] noodles at the Lajia archaeological site, arguably hailing from the late neolithic period. But this claim was disputed by later research,[5] which suggested that noodles simply cannot be produced from millet, a cereal that lacks gluten, a necessary protein"

As the paragraph stands this is simply false as one of the most common types of noodles, rice noodles are of course made entirely of rice which lacks gluten. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.58.223.237 (talk) 05:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

I just note that this has been dealt with appropriately, by removing the implication of necessity. Klbrain (talk) 19:55, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Who wrote this article?

The Chinese government? The whole thing seems to be about how China invented the noodle, which is not true and cannot be proven. The bias needs to be removed. 98.194.39.86 (talk) 00:34, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Feel free. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - Inspector General ‖ 04:45, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Pasta is a type of noodle per the definition

A noodle is just an extruded shape of unleavened dough made from a grain. The grain can be anything, rice, wheat etc.

So therefore, based on wikipedia's own definition, pasta is just a type of noodle that's archetypally made from durum wheat.

That's not necessarily how it's normally referred to, for example in North America a 'noodle' has to be short, but Wikipedia isn't a dictionary, and functionally speaking, they are cooked and treated the same as as any of the other types of noodles mentioned. GliderMaven (talk) 05:23, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't accept that, it is the other way round. Ask an Italian person, or an Italian American, seeing as how the wiki servers are in America or indeed a noodle maker from Asia. See if they can make Lasagna, or indeed any shape that isn't long and thin, or extruded like a noodle!! -Roxy, the dog. wooF 10:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

With all due respect, that's not how Wikipedia works. This isn't about the vagaries of how they're generally referred to. In Wikipedia we have articles on what something is, not how it is called or who calls it something. Pasta is an unleavened dough made from a grain. This is an article on unleavened dough made from grains, it's categorically not about who uses what term 'pasta' versus 'noodle'. It's not a vocab thing.

If you want to make it not about pasta, you'd have to change the definition of what the article is about, good luck with that. In the meantime pasta is on-topic. GliderMaven (talk) 12:48, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

" in North America a 'noodle' has to be short," Citation needed here. Or, better yet, I'll just call this total BS. "Spaghetti noodle" is perfectly normal American English, and those are not short. In fact, as far as my experience goes "pasta" not only is a type of "noodle", the two are virtually synonymous with the distinction that "pasta" is used mostly for Italian (and derivatives there of) dishes.--Khajidha (talk) 15:08, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Have we got what is essentially a language difference here. In English, pasta is not noodles. In American, pasta is noodles? In English, nobody would use the phrase "spagetti noodles". How can we deal with this? -Roxy, the dog. wooF 17:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm with Roxy here - noodles are long thin things, which are made from unleaved dough. Pasta is the unleavened dough itself, typically made from durum wheat, which can be shaped into all sorts of shapes such as sheets, tubes or long thin things. Lasagne sheets are not a type of noodle in any variant of English I've used to order delicious food. GirthSummit _(blether) 17:32, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, pasta is noodles. And, yes, lasagna sheets are noodles. --Khajidha (talk) 17:49, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

According to whom? Seriously, I'm not trying to be passive aggressive, I've just spoken English all my life, have travelled fairly widely, and eat paste for more or less every meal (which explains both my shape, and my username), and I've never heard anyone refer to lasagne sheets or ravioli parcels as noodles. GirthSummit _(blether) 18:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

According to lots of cooking sites. https://www.cooksillustrated.com/taste_tests/52-no-boil-lasagna-noodles https://www.foodnetwork.com/how-to/packages/smart-shopping/7-things-you-didn-t-know-you-could-make-with-lasagna-noodles https://www.foodnetwork.com/how-to/packages/smart-shopping/7-things-you-didn-t-know-you-could-make-with-lasagna-noodles And many more.--Khajidha (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, because it's not a dictionary, the scope of an article isn't the name of the article, it's what's described in the first few sentences. Those sentences specify that we are talking about unleavened doughs made of a grain (rice or wheat or other grains) that are cut into some sort of strip, either dried and then later boiled or just cooked as is. That definition includes pasta. It doesn't actually matter two hoots what it's called in English, or French, America or Italy. In Wikipedia we do usually cover vocabulary too in a section, but that doesn't make any difference to the content of the article. GliderMaven (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Then this article should by GM's comments, be called "Pasta" not "Noodle", because Noodle is Pasta. QED. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 19:02, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

I'd still say that there is a difference. A noodle is a thing that can be made out of dough; pasta is the dough. I'll eat some noodles (plural), and I'll eat some pasta (mass noun). I'm fine with this being an article about noodles, the thing which can be made out of pasta, even if we establish that in some variants of English, anything made from pasta can be called a noodle (which came as a surprise, but the links above seem to demonstrate it). GirthSummit _(blether) 19:05, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

And I've never encountered or considered the idea that "pasta" refers to dough. Though it seems obvious now, as the word is basically Italian for "paste". --Khajidha (talk) 19:12, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Aside to Roxy: no, the title noodle seems fine. In the usage I am familiar with "pasta" is just a Italian-derived word for noodle. All forms of "pasta" are noodles, but not all noodles are pasta. I would never refer to rice noodles as pasta, but only because they aren't Italian derived. --Khajidha (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

I suspect you are from a different part of the world to me, and speak a different variety of english. -Roxy, the dog. wooF 07:46, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

As an American, I don't recall hearing the word "pasta" until at least the sixties. "Noodles" were used for most of this stuff, with lasagna material called ?sheets, and other special forms maybe just referred to by their specific names/shapes. "Pasta" seems to have come into vogue among the general US public later. Here is a site that discusses the two forms at length. Maybe it should be cited: https://dreamkitchen.solutions/noodles-vs-pasta . Kdammers (talk) 16:50, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

As a Brit, I never heard the word "noodle" until the eighties when "Pot Noodles" became popular. We always called noodles "chinese spagetti" because they were identical to spagetti. Now the he said she said arguement is pointless here, but the sensible thing to do is call the Italian stuff Pasta, and the Eastern stuff noodles, and agree to differ. -RoxAndy the Grumpy dog. wooF 17:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Egg noodles revert

@Roxy the dog: Can you explain your reasoning in removing the egg noodles subsection from this article (diff)? None of the other 29 noodles listed in the section have sources. Why are egg noodles special? Dan Bloch (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

They aren't. You added unsourced content, I removed it. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 22:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

That's certainly an interesting point of view. Since we disagree, I'll turn to other editors for consensus. Other editors, do you feel the Noodles article is better with or without this subsection? Dan Bloch (talk) 23:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Things have changed a bit since you started at wikipedia. We use WP:RS to support stuff nowadays! -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 07:56, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

So you're saying that if someone vandalized the Noodle article and deleted the "Types by primary ingredient" section, you'd prevent anyone from putting it back? Dan Bloch (talk) 17:36, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

It depends if they sourced the addition or not. At least one of the “noodles” you put back isn’t a noodle. I have no idea how accurate the rest of your edit is. Regards. Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 18:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Another interesting claim. Several, actually. I'm happy to address concerns about whether they are or aren't noodles, but let's stick to the main issue for now. Other editors, are you out there? Dan Bloch (talk) 18:55, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I am currently with my very sick father in emergency at our local hosp. Please assume I shall take no further part in this discussion and will not be watching. The German one is pasta, not noodle. Best. Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 20:27, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that. Best wishes for your father. Dan Bloch (talk) 20:39, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2020

When you can, add them please.

== Pasta ==

About Italy and chronologically speaking, I let you know that: 1) Tools to make pasta can be seen in the Etruscan tomb of Cerveteri (IV century BCE) and pillars of Grotta Bella (III c. BCE). 2) Pasta is an Italian term that comes from ancient Latin 'pasta, pastae', meaning kneaded flour, that's a food consisting of water and flour and used to thicken soups. 3) Roman Quintus Horatius Flaccus claimed that pasta was a daily meal (I century BCE). 4) Between Ist century BCE and Ist century AD, Roman Marcus Gavius Apicius wrote some recipes about pasta (eg. Patina Quotidiana), but his writings were popularized only much later, during the IV-V century AD.

sources: (1) S.Grasso, Gli Etruschi: tra cultura e cucina, Archeo Flavors Ligh House, 2014 (2) L. Castiglioni, S. Mariotti, Vocabolario della lingua latina, Loescher, Editore Torino, 1966-1986. (3) S.Serventi, F.Sabban, La pasta, Edizioni Laterza, 2004. (4) F.M. Amato, La cucina di Roma antica, Newton Compton Editori, 2007. Jack2008 (talk) 14:55, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Add where? All that's here is a disconnected list of factoids, with no indication how they would fit into the article. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Use in America

The article is completely missing any reference to noodles being consumed in America. I understand that the article only included historical development, and there probably has been little historical development of noodles in America. However, one of the most populous countries in the world, consumes noodles in vast quantities, and that deserves mention. As does Canada, (and I don't know where else). I suspect Australia does as well. I also suspect that although the forms of German, Italian, or Chinese noodles have generally been superficially maintained in America, I'm sure the manufacturing processes of noodles on a commercial basis altered the American noodle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.17.29.40 (talk) 23:44, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

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