Talk:List of ancient Egyptians

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WikiProject Ancient Egypt to-do list:

Needed articles.

We should have an article on every pyramid and every nome in Ancient Egypt. I'm sure the rest of us can think of other articles we should have.

Cleanup.

To start with, most of the general history articles badly need attention. And I'm told that at least some of the dynasty articles need work. Any other candidates?

Standardize the Chronology.

A boring task, but the benefit of doing it is that you can set the dates !(e.g., why say Khufu lived 2589-2566? As long as you keep the length of his reign correct, or cite a respected source, you can date it 2590-2567 or 2585-2563)

Stub sorting

Anyone? I consider this probably the most unimportant of tasks on Wikipedia, but if you believe it needs to be done . . .

Data sorting.

This is a project I'd like to take on some day, & could be applied to more of Wikipedia than just Ancient Egypt. Take one of the standard authorities of history or culture -- Herotodus, the Elder Pliny, the writings of Breasted or Kenneth Kitchen, & see if you can't smoothly merge quotations or information into relevant articles. Probably a good exercise for someone who owns one of those impressive texts, yet can't get access to a research library.

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The rationale for saying "ancient Egyptians" rather than "Ancient Egyptians" is that "ancient" is a modern convention for a particular time period in Egypt, not an actual name of a country. In other words, nobody on this list ever said "I am an Ancient Egyptian" as someone might today say "I am a New Yorker". Another way to look at this is to say it's a subset of list of Egyptians, namely the ones that lived in ancient times (which is not well-defined BTW - Pharoanic? Hellenistic? pre-Arab? the list head should say), which is an adjective applied to Egyptianness, not a different proper name. One could have a list of Upper Egyptians, because "Upper Egypt" is a proper name. Finally, this form of list corresponds with list of ancient Romans and list of ancient Greeks. Stan 04:58, 31 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that is true but they would not have referred to themselves as Egyptians either. We substitute the name of the country Kemet for ours Ancient Egypt. However you are also correct in the nebulous nature of Ancient Egypt, as it generally includes the Pharaonic, Hellenistic, and Roman periods but generally excludes the Byzantine and pre-dynastic periods. I am not particularly upset over the move, just curious as to why you moved it and intereseted in discussing your reasoning. As you already know from our encounter over Fouquieria, I am not fond of the nebulous. So, since we have both agreed on the nebulous nature of the term, and since there is already a precedent, I will accept the move. In other words I buy your rationale, sort of. :)

-JCarriker 06:10, May 31, 2004 (UTC)

I'd never heard of "Ancient Egypt" as a literal synonym for Kemet, but I'm no Egyptologist. I guess the intent is to have the list just be Pharaonic-era people, though? Any later named Egyptians are going to be Greek, Roman, etc, they'll have Greek/Roman names and kind of look out of place, plus which they're on the other lists already. By that reasoning your original name is right - the alternate list of Pharaonic Egyptians will auto-discourage additions of people from later eras, but that title will be too mystifying to most readers. Stan 06:54, 31 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the list will include Egyptian born Greeks from the Ptolomaic Dynasty because th Ptolomies were still Pharaohs. Egypt was a multicultural civilization, I known that their is an Egyptian of Canaanite descent already on the list and there is already one Ptolomaic period person present as well. The usual end of Pharonic civilization is given as the Roman Conquest of Octavian. So the youngest people on the list should be Cleopatra VII's children or ther contemporaries.

You might want to check out The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, ISBN 0-19-280293-3.

If you like Romans you might also want to read Cicero: The Life and Times of Rome's Greatest Politician by Anthony Everitt, ISBN 0-375-50746-9

It is my favorite historical biography of all time, I'm currently reading it for the third time. Everitt writes soooo well!

(Sorry for the typos it's 3:30 am in East Texas).

-JCarriker 08:51, May 31, 2004 (UTC)

Provision of brief descriptions for each individual on this list[edit]

To assist a reader get a better idea of who each of the people on this list are (particularly given all the similar names and complex naming issues), I have added brief descriptions for each of the individuals on the list. I have tried to include the relevant dynasty in place at the time each indivdual lived and I have also provided a approximate date that each individual lived (sometimes to the nearest century is the most appropriate). All the information in the summaries (including dynasty and dates) is based on the Wikipedia articles. I would appreciate any comments or suggestions (including any errors or omissions) about my changes. Also, I would be interested in any comments on the concept of providing summaries of all the people on a biographical list such as this one on Ancient Egyptians. Thanks --Chewings72 (talk) 11:27, 23 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Would maybe a table format help here? I'm thinking:

Name	Main Title	Dynasty	Date	Comment
Aahotepre (or Ammu Ahotepre)	Pharaoh	14th dynasty	(fl. c. mid-17th century BC)	A minor Hyksos pharaoh
Aat	Queen	12th dynasty	(fl. c. late-19th century BC)	Queen and wife of Amenemhat III.
Abar	Queen	25th dynasty	(fl. c. mid-8th century BC)	A Nubian queen, the mother of King Taharqa and probably the wife of King Piye.

Just a thought! --AnnekeBart (talk) 14:05, 24 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, putting the information in a tabular format does look much neater and easier to read compared to what I have done. The main reason I did not do that from the start was that I was worried that the table might look uneven where a "note" on a particular person was quite lengthy. Nevertheless, I think you are correct to suggest a table. When I get the time I will look at revising the list into a table format. By the way, I note you added Euclid into the list. I was wondering whether I should include in a list of Ancient Egyptians individuals who were of Greek origin/birth but who lived or worked in Ptolemaic Egypt for some, most or all of their lives. --Chewings72 (talk) 06:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have played around with the table format a bit and decided on some fixed column widths so that the table is displayed the same across all the letters from the index. I hope you don't mind, but I shortened some of the Ptolemaic entries. I don't have a lot of free time at the moment so I can only do a little bit at a time. --AnnekeBart (talk) 13:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

China & Africa[edit]

On recounting an event during the Han Dynasty, the author mentions an Egyptian Queen the Chinese called "Keliaomotela." Have you ever heard of her, or is this their name for an already known queen?74.229.102.208 (talk) 19:44, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]