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VfD[edit]

Old talk from VfD. It was decided not to delete the article:

Champagne socialist - a joke. user has history of vandalism. --Jiang | Talk 09:35, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- It's not a joke. It's a common term at least in British politics and possibly elsewhere. There may be well be enough to eke out an article here - if not it would be a footnote on the socialism and/or british politics pages. Please do not call things a joke without knowing what you are talking about. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 09:44, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  - limousine liberal would seem to be the equivalent American term (oweing to their unique use of the word liberal). I agree that there's an article there somewhere. -- stewacide
- This is a serious term in British politics. Keep. Look upon my works, ye Mighty, and despair! 09:51, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  - Is the term really used often? I only get 500 hits on Google, but some are from the BBC. I'm not sure. Daniel Quinlan 10:10, Dec 15, 2003 (UTC)
  - Keep. It may not appear all that often, but the bottom entry on the first page of Google I get is in Polish, so the term's definitely got about. -- Arwel 13:32, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
    - It's not used hugely often, but it is used often enough. I get 747 Google hits - I'd've guessed there would be more - I suppose usage has tailed off a bit in recent years (where recent years = google cache years)
- Keep. Very widely used term. Only a joke if you think Tony Blair a joke. Ooops. But seriously, keep. Bmills 10:17, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  - For TB can't be a champagne socialist... that would pre-suppose that he is a socialist :=). I guess the label could be applied to John 'Two Jags' Prescott though! Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 11:23, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  - In Ireland, we had our very own Dick Spring. And yes, that is his real name. Bmills 11:32, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- Keep, although it might be nice to make it a redirect to a single page which explains synonymous terms, and perhaps other such phrases in politics. Onebyone 11:46, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
  - List of pejorative political slogans, perhaps?. Kosebamse 12:52, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
    - added it there

ping 07:23, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

- Keep. There are already good articles on the Australian and US equivalents. Secretlondon 12:38, Dec 15, 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. Completely legitimate, although certainly not an American term. Anjouli 17:10, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- Keep. I can't believe anyone was even thinking of deleting this! --Daniel C. Boyer 21:27, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Champagne Socialists may claim to be against the Capitalist system but will still happily function in it Well they don't have much choice, do they? If the system IS a capitalist one, what are they supposed to do? Refuse to work and sit in a tent for 30 years waiting for capitalism to collapse? What about people in communist countries who don't particularly agree with their system but still happily function in it? What childish term would you apply to them? Pathetic.

End of VfD talk