Talk:Távora affair

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All killed?[edit]

Not every member of the Tavora family was executed. One son of Leonor de Tavora, 3rd Marquioness of Tavora was arrested and tortured but released in 1759 probably because he furnished valuable information to the Marques de Pombal. But when his three brothers and parents were executed, he feared for his life so he chartered a ship and gathering the remainder of his family weatlh and family members and servants sailed first to Goa, India where he deposited the bulk of his wealth in a bank and then travelled and finally settled in Macau which started a whole new dynasty that includes several thousand decendents today. Domingos Marques de Tavora family include the da Silva, Ferras, Rivero, Miranda, and Paiva clans. I have much more information that will be implemented into a book called the Marqueses of Macau and I may be contacted at lenrivero@msn.com

This is not correct: All the sons of Leonor were killed. She and the Count of Alvor had several sons but only 2 (two) survived childhood and were both executed. The tale of 3 executed sons + 1 escaped son is fiction. Example source: [1]. muriel@pt 09:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

frustration[edit]

Going through my family tree on Genea Portugal, Its amazing how confused one can get.... as to understanding who survived and where all my family and I come from! --Joseph-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.170.17.174 (talk) 13:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

overreaction?[edit]

To be able to have intrigues there can't be such extreme measures. sebastiao wasn't counter-accused...Meroitte (talk) 07:41, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a Taveira from the people of Paiva[edit]

I only learned about this tonight. I'm shocked and sickened. I've been having trouble putting my family tree together (I think this is it) and maybe I'm wrong but I think this may be a reason why there are a lot of gaps and uncertain information about this family. I think I'm gonna puke. Lusitano Transmontano 07:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

You're Taveira. They were Távora. What does your have to do with this affair? Joao pais 18:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I learned that Taveira is a modified form of Tavora. Because of fear and the prevention of the use of the name people afterwards occasionally gave children a modified version of the name but with what little information i have its been difficult to know if im on the right track. i may be looking at someone without the name Taveira who is one or i may be looking at a Taveira who is from a different branch and so i would be on the wrong track. maybe youre right though, im sort of new at researching genealogy so i could be on the wrong track and getting very confused. after santo antonios parents i cant find anything or any more names and ive also heard they didnt just have him and his brother but that there were more children, but theyre not listed at that site. one source says its universally believed that the bulhoes/de paiva are the ancestors of all the Taveiras around today. however way it goes at some point, according to sources (and i went through every name there and could always find a way to these Tavoras from the Bulhoes lineage), we are related so it still kind of makes me sick. Lusitano Transmontano 19:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Source missing[edit]

I have not found one credible source for the supposition that the Teresa Leonor was mistress of king Dom José. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.245.147.49 (talk) 11:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

continuity, flow[edit]

Edited the article for minor wording, etc., and also removed this reference for being both inaccurate and misleading: (The movie The Mission portrays the expulsion of a Jesuit community from the Southern region of Brazil, then a Portuguese possession.) The movie portrays, among other things, the Church's sanctioning of the destruction of a Jesuit-run Indian community because it interferes with colonial expansion and raiding of Indian populations for slave labor. Independent Christian Indians were politically inconvenient. Shir-El too 01:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No source for claim RE: order to execute women and children[edit]

I don't have access to the two books cited as sources for this article, but I've reviewed some English-language primary documents describing the Távora affair and executions. None of the observers make any reference to King Joseph having ordered the deaths of any child, nor of any women other than the Marchioness. I'll post links once I can locate them. Could anyone verify the existence of these claims in the two books cited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Corvatis (talk • contribs) 16:28, 27 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Correction for linear time[edit]

At the start of 'Aftermath', I changed a reference to the Marquis of Pombal to Sebastião de Melo, as the man denouncing the Jesuit to the Inquisition. As the end of the section makes clear, Sebastião de Melo was not yet the Marquis of Pombal at the time of these events. While I appreciate that his eventually receiving this title was noted at the start of the overall article, he was then consistently referred to by his name at the time of the events, Sebastião de Melo, and it was confusing to suddenly see him referred to by his later title at the start of a section that ends with him being given that title years later. Random noter (talk) 15:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]