Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bergen County Academies

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The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 01:37, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Bergen County Academies[edit]

Absolutely no context. Establish notability before the end of the five-day period or delete. Neutrality^talk 23:07, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Keep - I live in Illinois and had never heard of this school, but checked on Google and quickly found:

Teams from Bergen County Academies took 8 of the top 12 spots in the 2003 Superbowl of High School Calculus, competing with 191 teams from around the U.S. In 2004, the school fielded 3 teams, all finishing in the top 10.
Nine students were listed as semi-finalists in 2005 U.S. Physics Teams (compared to 3 students from New Trier High School and 3 students from the Illinois Mathematics and Science Academy which, by almost anyone's standards, are notable high schools)

Although I may be late to this argument since I know it has been a bone of contention in the past, I don't understand how wikipedians can find that every campaign in Dungeons & Dragons, every minor character in any Star Wars episode and every ship in the U.S. Navy merits an article but that high schools are "not notable." Although the guidelines for deletion say that a person who is the subject of a biographical article should have notability, I don't think that does or should extend to a high school, particularly one that obviously participates on an equal footing with schools that I know are among the very top tier in Illinois. I agree that there needs to be more work on this article, but at least there is some information here, which is more than can be said for a lot of stubs. But I don't think it is right to keep vfd'ing every article on a high school and putting the burden on the authors to establish notability. DS1953 23:53, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Uh...yes, the author does have the burden to establish notability. Neutrality^talk 01:28, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

I don't understand how wikipedians can find that every campaign in Dungeons & Dragons, every minor character in any Star Wars episode and every ship in the U.S. Navy merits an article but that high schools are "not notable." I don't understand why I keep hearing this argument. I have yet to encounter a single Wikipedian who would vote to delete a high school article, but keep any of the examples you mention. android↔talk 03:46, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Keep. AAST in particular is very notable. NatusRoma 00:41, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable. How is it unfair to put the "burden" on authors to establish notability of the subjects for the articles they create? How is the reader supposed to understand why the article subject is notable if the article author can't explain it? Quale 01:27, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, not just your average high school. Gazpacho 02:17, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Lupin 02:46, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Needs a lot of work, but deserves benefit of the doubt. Rlquall 02:48, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Useless collection of generic facts about an insignificant school. This is not an encyclopedia article. Individual schools are not inherently encyclopedic and there is nothing to distinguish insignificant schools like this one from thousands of nearly identical schools around the world. Gamaliel 03:27, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Plenty of scope for growth here. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 03:31, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, verifiable - SimonP 04:01, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
Keep schools. Verifiable and NPOV. First, preserve knowledge, then expand knowledge. --Unfocused 04:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Any school in the same class as IMSA is definitely worth an article. Kelly Martin 05:11, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
Delete Instutional Vanity, wikipedia is not triviapedia.Gmaxwell 06:14, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, cute but, no, non-encyc. Master Thief Garrett 11:24, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep.JuntungWu 12:39, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, nn. R adiant _* 14:34, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
Keep schools in wikipedia. --Howrealisreal 14:59, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, practically all schools are notable enough for an unlimited encyclopedia. Kappa 16:23, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notability is still not a listed deletion criterion - David Gerard 22:42, 17 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Verifiable and NPOV. DoubleBlue (Talk) 11:46, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep All schools. Verifiable and NPOV. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, ergo it is encyclopaedic. Klonimus 13:19, 19 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. (1)We don't even have a policy about schools yet, (2)schools are important and should be included, (3)this massive deletion campaign is terrible. Introduce a limit of 3 vfd nominations per day. --Zantastik 22:31, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- The school issue notwithstanding, there is a lot of junk that comes down the pipe. Limiting editors to 3 nominations a day would only make matters worse. android↔talk 03:09, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
keep. Definately a particularly notable school-- some headlines about BCA (Google search):
- BCA Battlebots Team Wins 2nd, 3rd and 4th Place
- BCA Scores First Place in American Mathematics Contest
- BCA Students Place in Top Five at Harvard MIT Math Tournament
- Recent 5th place in Intel International Science and Engineering Fair

68.160.115.2 15:02, 21 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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