Talk:N. Chandrababu Naidu

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Multiple Issues: Excessive detailing and fan POV[edit]

A. The article goes in excess details of each and every policy, achievement and programme taken up by the subject, for example

  1. An entire section on Hyderabad Metro, how he conceptualized it and prepared DPR, when it was inaugurated nearly 13 years after the subject's term
  2. Future Decoded - Microsoft: An entire section only about the subject's presentation without going into details of its outcomes

B. Fan POV

  1. No critical analysis of subject's chiefministership and his policies. While the article goes into excessive details of his ideas and projects, it does not offer any outside commentary of the same. Taking up any programme itself is written as an achievement.
  2. Little information is presented about the subject's corruption allegations and scandals, for example the article makes no mention of 2015 Cash for Vote Scam.

I've tagged the article so that the editor's attention is drawn towards the issues, while some sections may be improved by individual editors, the article as an whole may need a revamp to change its tone and content to comply with encyclopedic standards. Regards -- Ab207 (talk) 14:37, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Ab207: Janmabhoomi Programme, Vision 2020, Swarnandhrapradesh State, Hyderabad's development, Welfare schemes, Irrigation projects, Sunrise State, Rayalaseema development, Amaravati development, Visakhapatnam development don't even have significance to be written in individual sections. Rework should be done inline with WP:SOAP.--iMahesh (talk) 17:06, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@AshLin, IndianPolitics-Bihar, Komchi, and Mellisa Anthony Jones: Hi guys, found your names at WikiProject Politics/Participants. Can you please help us in reworking this article. Since we're inexperienced at political-related articles, can't find a way to initiate.--iMahesh (talk) 17:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@IM3847: Do you suppose that there is scope to split this article into Chief Ministership of N. Chandrababu Naidu, on the lines of Chief Ministership of C. Rajagopalachari, to retain some of the relevant content?
@Ab207: I think it might be good to retain them on one article inline with Chief Minister of Gujarat, which is a Good article.--iMahesh (talk) 17:42, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@IM3847: Yeah that's good example to follow. I believe we can start by re-arranging the sections in chronological order, and go for additional section only when necessary. --Ab207 (talk) 17:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
CiteLeadBoat, Its unclear why you are re-adding trimmed info without engaging in the discussion; This is an encyclopedia, we don't need to track every single event or policy taken up by the subject. This info about water conservation is not noteworthy at all. --Ab207 (talk) 17:03, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This info has its importance because it's comes under water conservative measures taken by govts back even this info is present in pm narendra modi page taken in his govt CiteLeadBoat (talk) 02:28, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
CiteLeadBoat, If its notable enough, it must be supported by reliable and independent sources. This information,[1], [2], coming directly from the GoAP doesn't establish the programme's significance. There are hundreds of other projects like these which we don't intend to include. Ab207 (talk) 05:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@IM3847 a politician profile have multiple sections not sticked to only poltical life but business career is important if he own business like u can see the business career in George w bush and Donald Trump CiteLeadBoat (talk) 02:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@CiteLeadBoat: Yes, even Narendra Modi article covered his achievements. But, all of them are clubbed into one section named Development projects.--iMahesh (talk) 04:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No not for this, I said you about removing section of heritage Inc so instead of rm I make it back add into business career as u can see this business career section on other political profiles and doesn't come under wpsoap if-else not martekting and moreover if we observe such as Barack Obama and Angela Merkel about taking political decisions making policies and how their played active roles explained detailed in every section with following specific timeline method in respect of their states and nations internal matters. So if there is unsourced and promotive way content it would be concerned. Thanks CiteLeadBoat (talk) 05:30, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@CiteLeadBoat and Ab207: I've removed sections which aren't qualified for encyclopedic value and adjusted stalled sections inline with other politician articles. Let me know the reason, if some important info is missing. Please go through Notability criteria & What Wikipedia is not for more info.--iMahesh (talk) 02:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
CiteLeadBoat, you should understand that Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. We are not required to blindly regurgitate all the information we have. The content should be neutral, balanced, and relevant. Especially in high-profile subjects like these, inclusion should be based on consensus. --Ab207 (talk) 06:27, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@IM3847: You did a good job. Disaster Management section also needs some attention, I believe it can be presented in 2-3 short paragraphs. --Ab207 (talk) 07:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ab207 I would like to restart the cleanup. Do you have any priority list or pointers, that can be worked on first and then progress further? Any GA articles that could be referenced? J. Jayalalithaa seems to have good sections; political career with chrono ordering of CM and opposition, controversies, corruption cases, popular culture, awards. Narendra Modi has awards and then popular culture. -- DaxServer (talk) 17:40, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
DaxServer, Yeah, arranging everything in chronological order is a good start. Additional sections must be used only when necessary. Legacy needs a huge chopping and disaster management may need to go. Case in point, N. Chandrababu Naidu#Sports project Gandiva talks about the 2028 Olympics but now the project is as dead as a doornail given the change in government. A larger issue is excessive reliance on primary sources and press releases, instead of secondary sources that provide critical commentary. Ab207 (talk) 04:39, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ab207 As a rough start, I re-arranged the sections (not finalized though) somewhere along the lines of Jayalalithaa. We should now start moving content into relevant sections, such as Janmabhoomi, Assassination attempts, Hi-Tech city, etc. I will edit the article after 10:30 pm IST (6 pm for me). You could edit before that so we won't have edit conflicts. -- DaxServer (talk) 16:58, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
DaxServer, Sounds good to me. Ab207 (talk) 17:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup: ToDos[edit]

This cleanup todos list is being updated regularly when some re-work is done. As of 28 February 2022:

  1. EFN for his mother's noted the spelling variation. Determine if this is just a spelling mistake, current sources:[1]
  2.  Done Find sources for him being born into an agricultural family.
  3.  Partly done Where did he pass BA? SVU?
    1.  Done Determine whether quoting Hindustan Times' Sri Venkateswara Arts College is WP:Synthesis or WP:FACTS. Alternative is the India's Glocal Leader book, which cites [...] he pursued his degree at Sri Venkateswara Arts College in Tirupati. Determine RS for the book. Update 1 August 2021: Sourced from book Special:Diff/1036623047
  4.  Done Find sources that says he has passed MA (Economics).
    1.  Done SVU?
  5. Find sources for PhD work in SVU, if not already established in the Rediff ref (might be WP:SYNTHESIS?)
  6. Should the 'caste fights' in SVU be noted? current sources:[1][2]
  7. Determine RS for books/papers (not limited to):
    1. Not sure. India's Glocal Leader: Chandrababu Naidu. See Special:Permalink/1033435298#Determining RS for a book and comments below.
      1. Rythu bazaar starting mentioned
    2. Untold Story of Chandrababu
    3. New Populism and Liberalisation: Regime Shift under Chandrababu Naidu in AP
  8. Add to NTR's page, if not already present, about the idea of regional parties after attending Bhavanam Venkatram's ceremony, current sources:[1]
  9. Should the reason for 1989 change from Chandragiri to Kuppam constituency, as "he was not happy that the voters defeated him in 1983 despite his work", be added? current sources:[1]
  10. Which Congress did he join in 1975? Economic Times PTI source says he joined Youth Congress in 1975. Indira Gandhi seceded and formed Congress (I) on 2 January 1978. He became an MLA in 1978 (date? so that it would be clear it's from (I) or (R)) from Congress (which one: (I) or (R)?), and lost in 1983 from Congress ((I) or (R))? ECI recognised (I) to be the real Indian National Congress for the 1984 elections, and the (I) was dropped in 1996.
  11. Update infobox with 1978-1983 MLA post.
  12. Source all content and remove Encyclopaedia Britannica citation.
  13. Rm Infobox Almamater source. It is dead and SVU is now sourced.
  14. Find better sources for NTR making his party coordinator in 1989.
  15. Re-write 1989 post-coordinator sentences. It's a copy-paste from the source.
  16. NTR's interview with Reuters needs to be copy-edited for it being copy-pasted from the source.
  17. Find additional sources to support second-largest party in NDA in 1999 elections.
  18. Is the translation for Deepam (1999 scheme) "lamp"?
  19. Source Janmabhoomi
  20. Source Dial-your-CM
  21. Source self help groups and DWCRA
  22. Source Rythu bazaar
  23. Source e-Seva (currently Mee Seva (Andhra Pradesh) and Mee Seva (Telangana))
  24. Role in Hyderabad development. Useful sources:[3]
  25. Role in HITEC City. Sources:[3]
  26. Source Genome Valley
  27. Source RGIA
  28. Re-section Hyderabad Multi-Modal Transport System
  29. Source Real Time Governance Society. Cross-improve the article. Sources:linked article and [3]
  30. Views on AP bifurcation. Sources:[3]
  31. What made him leave NDA in 2018? Sources:[3][4]
  32. Verify and copy edit contributions to K. R. Narayanan's election as President
  33. Should assassination attempts be merged into the chronological sections, or a separate section, like it is now?
  34. Is mention of his house-felling by current govt. due?
  35. Source Amaravati / Amaravati Metropolitan Region Development Authority (AP CRDA earlier)
  36. Source Vision 2020. Current sources:[5][6]
  37. Source Vision 2029. Current sources:[7][8]
  38.  Done Source Vision 2050. Current sources:[5]
  39.  Done Naidu Day in Illinois. Current sources:[9]
  40. Is he an admirer of Singapore and its founder Lee Kuan Yew? Could be useful to add to Amaravati in 2014-2019 section. Useful sources:[8][10]
  41. Source his views around IT. Useful sources:[5][8][3]
  42.  Done Source NTR Bharosa Pension scheme. Sources:[3] Other sources used, see article.
  43.  Done Source Pasupu Kunkuma scheme. Sources:[3] Other sources used, see article.
  44.  Done Source Mukhyamantri Yuvanestham scheme. Sources:[3] Other sources used, see article.
  45. Source NTR housing scheme. Sources:[3]
  46.  Done Re-organize bike ambulances.
    1. Consider removing ANI reference, as the line could be completely sourced from The News Minute.
  47. Source the work progressed for Pulichinthala Project, if it could be attributable to Naidu's third term.
  48. What happened to Godavari-Penna interlinking after the NGT stay?
  49. Mention YSRCP review of all projects by TDP, in both the third term as CM and current opposition leader sections.
  50. Source relation with Y. S. Rajasekhara Reddy
  51. Is foundation Chintalapudi lift irrigation project relevant? Special:Diff/1035787462
  52. Source meanings of projects Gandiva and Panchjanya. Is Gandiva a symbol of Gandiva?
  53.  Done Add temporary comments to all the sections which were cleaned up so other editors would be aware
  54. Zero-Budget Natural Farming - see if something from the research paper could be used:[11]
  55. Personal life section
  56. Dharma Poratam
  57. Intro to Marri Chenna Reddy[12]

References

  1. ^ a b c d "Rediff On The NeT: The Rediff Election Profile/Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister N Chandrababu Naidu". www.rediff.com. Retrieved 2021-06-21.
  2. ^ Rangarajan, A. d (2015-04-27). "Eternal penchant for world of books". The Hindu. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 2021-06-21.
  3. ^ a b c d e f g h i j "N. Chandrababu Naidu: The maker of tomorrowland". www.fortuneindia.com. Retrieved 2021-07-15.
  4. ^ "1996 encore? Chandrababu Naidu meets Deve Gowda, ducks question on PM candidate for 2019". The Indian Express. 2018-11-08. Retrieved 2021-07-22.
  5. ^ a b c "Naidu calls for 'Vision 2050' to transform country in 30 years". The Hindu. Special Correspondent. 2020-11-01. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 2021-07-13.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: others (link)
  6. ^ Reporter, B. S. (2014-06-10). "Naidu to develop Vision 2020 plan for Andhra Pradesh again". Business Standard India. Retrieved 2021-07-13.
  7. ^ India, Press Trust of (2016-09-28). "N Chandrababu Naidu releases draft of 'Sunrise Andhra Pradesh Vision 2029' document". Business Standard India. Retrieved 2021-07-13.
  8. ^ a b c Padmanabhan, Anil (2017-07-07). "Inside Chandrababu Naidu's plan to make Andhra Pradesh a sunrise state". mint. Retrieved 2021-07-15.
  9. ^ "Naidu's victory carnival finds echo in US city". The Hindu. Special Correspondent. 2014-06-12. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 2021-07-13.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: others (link)
  10. ^ "Naidu unveils vision for next five years". The Hindu. Special Correspondent. 2019-02-09. ISSN 0971-751X. Retrieved 2021-07-15.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: others (link)
  11. ^ "Zero Budget Natural Farming in Andhra pradesh state".
  12. ^ "Yadlapati: పార్టీ మారాలని ఎన్టీఆర్‌ చెప్పలేదు కదా.. అంగీకరించండి." Eenadu (in Telugu). Retrieved 2022-02-28.

DaxServer (talk · contribs) 11:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Rediff source already presents We used to grow sugarcane, then make jaggery. I missed it yesterday. -- DaxServer (talk) 17:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Economic Times' PTI source cites his Masters from SVU. [...] started off as a students' union leader in Sri Venkateswara University while pursuing his Masters in Economics. -- DaxServer (talk) 18:02, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hindustan Times source cites his Masters from SVU is done and cites Sri Venkateswara Arts College. -- DaxServer (talk) 18:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ab207 How shall we approach it in this case? Should we look for other sources? -- DaxServer (talk) 07:58, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
DaxServer, Wikipedia:NPOV#Bias_in_sources is the relevant guideline. It think it can be used for uncontrovesrial information but opinionated content should be presented per WP:WEIGHT and WP:BALANCE. Ab207 (talk) 08:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do we also add that he talked about importance of IT literacy during IIT Bombay Vision 2050 talk? Surely, that would augment sourcing of his views about IT. -- DaxServer (talk) 17:43, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@DaxServer and @Ab207 Looks like your efforts went in vain. The page looks highly disruptive now especially the title of every category. User named Chinnusaikrish is adding content related and centric to YSR and Lokesh when this is a page about another person. Can you help anything with it? 456legend(talk) 11:23, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd leave further improvements to others. This article is not a priority for me atm. Thanks! — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:32, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looking back, I believe there’s some tangential content in my edits which needs to go away — DaxServer (mobile) (t · m · c) 11:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC) — DaxServer (mobile) (t · m · c) 11:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@DaxServer Okay, I understood. I will first try to bring back the previous edits and further ensure to give a neutral tone as extent as possible. And keep in account of your points. 456legend(talk) 11:44, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Alalch E.: Some sections contain the information about other personalities not focussing on this subject can you refer to the above consensus to add the respective past editors content or atleast allow me to edit now? (Seeking permission because I don't want to interrupt your editting) Thank you 456legend(talk) 15:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@456legend: Thanks for the ping. I wasn't planning on doing any more edits for the time being. You are absolutely allowed to edit yourself, under any any circumstances. Did I understand you correctly that you consider there are things that should be removed from the article? —Alalch E. 15:42, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes there are things that are to be removed and also added.
If you clearly study the above concensus and also closely observing the edit history of this page from December 6th there is a user who kept on adding disruptive titles and content. 456legend(talk) 15:45, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I encourage you to make your desired changes, and to the extent that they are additions, that you provide sources. I am not aware of any significant pieces of information that should be removed, but I am interested in seeing what you will identify as the problems. —Alalch E. 15:52, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Alalch E. I was actually again thinking about creating a new page to add the above concensus matter because the matter relates to the subjects involvement widely which would be very lengthy if put here.

I will be considering this and working upon it since previous editors also quit working on this article. 456legend(talk) 16:00, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can do that, yes. It would be best if you would create such a page in your userspace or as a subpage to this talk page. Be sure to follow the WP:BLP policy, as it covers all pages. It would be good to describe on that page what it's purpose is, and then please, post a link to said page here. —Alalch E. 16:05, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus for removal of COVID-19 section[edit]

I've added the Covid section (Special:Diff/1024060044/1024851939) in late-May. The case has been dormant and probably forgotten by the media. I propose its removal citing comments by a politician, and that they comment on whole lot of things, most of which are simply politics and non-notable. -- DaxServer (talk) 16:07, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Better to remove as it broadly falls under WP:NOTNEWS. In the Indian legal system, anyone can file an FIR on anyone, so it doesn't amount to much. Only when the court accepts that these charges are valid, it's worth noting. -- Ab207 (talk) 16:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Arrest in 2019 section[edit]

Is it significant because of the massacre of TDP members? Should it be expanded? Or be removed as politicians agitate and are arrested all the time? Unlike Jagan, CBN was never in jail, wasn't he? -- DaxServer (talk) 17:13, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to Leader of the Opposition (2019-present) section to be in sync with chronological biography as per Wikipedia:Criticism -- DaxServer (talk) 11:55, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing from India's Glocal Leader[edit]

This section is to discuss content that could be sourced from the book ISBN 9789387146587. -- DaxServer (talk) 18:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Siblings[edit]

Page #4 [...] Naidu is the eldest of the four siblings and has a younger brother Nara Ramamurthy Naidu and two younger sisters, Rajeswari and Hymavathi. This seems to be okay to source. Should we add names, or simply say a younger brother and two younger sisters him being the eldest? -- DaxServer (talk) 18:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DaxServer, Nara Ramamurthy Naidu is notable, so it can be added. Names of the sisters are up to discretion per WP:BLPNAME. -- Ab207 (talk) 19:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done I skipped the non-notable siblings' names, up to you or others if you want to add. I hope the citation style is correct, this would be my first time citing a book! -- DaxServer (talk) 14:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Using Template:sfn, you can use the source multiple times by changing the relevant page number. -- Ab207 (talk) 14:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I was wondering what to do with normal Cite book template as it would generate different citations for each time we used a different page! -- DaxServer (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mother's name[edit]

Page #4 Born to Nara Kharjura Naidu and Amanamma on 20 April 1950, [...] I think the note in the article stating a spelling variant could be dropped. Do we want to cite this book along with Rediff? -- DaxServer (talk) 14:18, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jaggery production[edit]

Page #7 Once he got the idea generating income from sugarcane cultivation, Chandrababu and his friends took up jaggery production and sold 75 kgs of jaggery. Could this be sourced as "During his childhood, along with his friends, he sold jaggery for income."? -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BA[edit]

BA from Sri Venkateswara Arts College. Page #7 Later, he pursued his degree at Sri Venkateswara Arts College in Tirupati. Looks okay to me. Year 1972 is sourced from Rediff. -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would just use it, with Rediff to source year. -- DaxServer (talk) 15:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -- DaxServer (talk) 18:24, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

PhD[edit]

Reason for dropping of PhD. Page #8 However, Naidu discontinued his PhD die to his uninhibited interest in student politics. Could this be sourced as "(from article:) ... but did not complete his PhD because of his interests in politics."? -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SVU Economics department[edit]

Chairman of SVU Economics department while he was a student. Page #8-9 At that time, the University had 32 departments, and each department had a chairman, elected by the students. In turn, they elect the chairman of the college. Naidu, a student of economics, who was also the chairman of the department, did not contest for the college championship. Instead, he succeeded in getting his man elected and gained an upper hand over his opponents in the student election. Could this be sourced as "During his education at SBU, he was elected as the chairman of the Economics department, in which he is a student of."? -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1977 AP cyclone[edit]

Collecting donations for 1977 Andhra Pradesh cyclone. Page #9 Following the 1977 cyclone, which devastated the Diviseema Taluk of Krishna District, he actively collected donations and relief from Chittoor District for cyclone victims. Could this be sourced in Early political career, or an appropriate chronological biographical order? -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lectureship at SVU[edit]

Being offered a lectureship at SVU. Page #9-10 Soon after, he left his Alma Mater, Naidu had three options to choose as his career path. [...] Kotha Satchidananda Murthy, a Buddhist scholar, who was serving as the Vice-Chancellor of SVU, offered Naidu lectureship at the university. [...] Finally, he zeroed in on entering active politics as it would give him the opportunity to serve active politics. Could this be sourced as "After he left his Alma Mater at SVU, he was offered a lectureship at the university, which he did not take upon."? The Economic Times source says that he dropped PhD after he become a minister.[1] Perhaps he was offered after his Masters?

References

  1. ^ "Chandrababu Naidu becomes first chief minister of new Andhra Pradesh". The Economic Times. 8 June 2014. Archived from the original on 8 April 2021. Retrieved 22 June 2021.

-- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MLC elections (1)[edit]

Wanted to contest in MLC elections. Psge #10 By then, the 24-year-old Naidu was growing restless and wanted to try his hand at MLC elections from Teacher's Constituency in Chittoor district. As the minimum age to contest as a public representative was 25, Naidu dropped the idea. This would go into Early political career if sourced, in an appropriate wording. -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MLC elections (2)[edit]

1976 MLC election nomination. Page #10 In 1976, when the Council sear fell vacant from the Teacher's Constituency, senior Congress leader N Janardhan Reddy, who later became Chief Minister, had put up his nominee Anam Sanjiva Reddy while Naidu, who was a student leader, filed his nomination. That was when Janardhan Reddy had sent a word to Naidu that he was going to lose the nomination anyway. But, if he withdrew, Janardhan Reddy would help him grow politically at the appropriate time. This time came soon as Reddy suggested Naidu's name to the Congress high command against the wishes of Amarnath Reddy, who was the most influential leader in Chittoor District. Vengal Rao agreed to Naidu's nomination and so did the then Prime Minister of India, Indira Gandhi. To source: that he filed nomination for MLC election, but did not contest? Could "..., but did not contest upon an intimation from Janardhan Reddy", this seems a bit murky. How could it be structured? -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jalagam Vengala Rao[edit]

Jalagam Vengala Rao's suggestion to support Zilla Parishad elections. Page #10 (continued from above citation.) During this time, he got an opportunity to meet the then Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, Jalagam Vengal Rao, who suggested him to plat an active role in Zilla Parishad (local body) elections. Do we source the interaction with Vengala Rao? The details seem not so strong as the others. -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1978 election: Caste[edit]

1978 ticket because of belonging to Kamma (caste). Page #11 The Congress (I) as a strategy, was looking for younger people to take on the stalwarts to counter the Reddy hegemony in the district. As a candidate belonging to the Kamma community, Naidu was chosen and given the ticket. -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Caste[edit]

Page #11 See above for quote. Could this be sourced as "He belongs to/born in a Kamma family."? -- DaxServer (talk) 11:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A reading before deciding on this: Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 49#Mentioning caste of Individuals -- DaxServer (talk) 18:57, 7 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Telugu family[edit]

Page #11 See above for quote. Could this be sourced for him belonging to/born in a Telugu family? Looks like synthesis to me? -- DaxServer (talk) 11:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Congress (I)[edit]

Page #11 See above for quote. This would clear that he joined Congress (I) (Indira Gandhi's), one of the todos in the section above. -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Or do we need other source that [explicitly] said he joined Congress (I)? -- DaxServer (talk) 14:21, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

1978 election: Family[edit]

Family help for 1978 campaign. Page #11 In his initial years in politics, Naidu's election campaigning included his family's contribution too. While he, along with his brother and cousins, planned strategies [...] his mother woke up early in the morning and prepared sambar rice and curd rice (for party workers). Naidu's sisters rallied girl students from the University in Tirupati [...] Could this be sourced as "He won the 1978 election, with the support during campaigning from his family."? Or "His family supported and campaigned for him." in the 1978 section? -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Clinton[edit]

 On hold

Bill Clinton. Page #11 [...] on the other end of the world in the United States, his friend and future President of the United States of America, Bill Clinton (who he was destined to meet), become the Governor of Arkansas in the same year [...] Please put this on-hold until I could gather further details about Clinton in the book. -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Admirer of NTR[edit]

Page #11-12 He was a huge admirer of Nandamuri Taraka Rama Rao's (NTR) movies and adored the top Telugu star. During his term as the minister for cinematography, Naidu met NTR's son Nandamuri Jayakrishna who was a noted cinematographer and exhibitor of the time. He requested Jayakrishna to set up a meeting with NT Rama Rao as he wanted to meet his favourite actor. His fanboy dream came true when Naidu met his future father-in-law [...] Could this be sourced, minus the author's expression of his admiration? -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage[edit]

Marriage day. Page #12 It was decided that the wedding would be held in Madras (now Chennai), which was the hub if Telugu and Tamil film industry. [...] On 10 September 1981, the day of the wedding, film star, politician and cultural icon of Tamil Nadu MG Ramachandran, a close friend of NTR attended the wedding. The then Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Anjaiah and his cabinet ministers, [...] I see four items that could be sourced: Marriage day. Marriage place. MGR and Anjaiah being one of the guests. NTR and MGR being [close] friends on their articles, if not sourced already, but this is secondary. -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interest to work with NTR[edit]

Naidu expressing interest in working with NTR before TDP is formed. Page #13 The final straw came when Rajiv Gandhi, [...], lublicly rebucked Anjaiah at Hyderabad's Begumpet airport [...] This incident led to a public outcry and the demand for Telugus' "atma gauravam" (self-respect of Telugus) was highlighted by NTR. Amidst such political instability in the state, Naidu informed his father-in-law about hhis interest in working with him. However, NTR had convinced Naidu to remain with the Congress as it was an established party and that he was growing in his political career, unline the one he was planning to launch. Could this be sourced? -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Untrustworthy views within Congress[edit]

Viewed as untrustworthy candidate within the Congress party. Page #13 (continued from above citation.) This period was one of the most testing times for Naidu as he as being viewed as a untrustworthy candidate within the Congress party as his father-in-law was gearing up to launch a new political party. Could this be sourced? -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Post 1983 defeat[edit]

Return to Tirupati as 1983 defeat. Page #14 In the 1983 election, Naidu lost his bid for re-election to the assembly from the Congress and returned to Tirupati to start a business. Could this be sourced? Details about business were not said. -- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joining TDP[edit]

Joining TDP. Page #14 (continued from above citation.) After NTR's call in the following year, Naidu joined the TDP to help his father-in-law in strengthening the party. Is that 1983 or 1984? The India Today source infers 1983.[1]

References

  1. ^ Mitra, Sumit; Mennon, Amarnath K. (15 September 1984). "Dismissal of NTR ministry planned, Nadendla Bhaskara Rao nurtured with care of an assassin". India Today. Archived from the original on 12 November 2020. Retrieved 23 June 2021.

-- DaxServer (talk) 20:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chandrababu Naidu and YSR Rajasekhar Reddy is are good friends at ministry time in 1970s[edit]

It's true fact 123.201.208.175 (talk) 18:34, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources need to be fetched and the article need to be updated. Any help with that? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 09:45, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @DaxServer, I found the following sources, https://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/tollywood/110820/an-emotional-thriller-on-the-ysr-cbn-relationship.html, https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/ysr-was-my-best-friend-naidu/article28565544.ecehttps://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/ysr-was-my-best-friend-naidu/article28565544.ece, https://www.indiaherald.com/Politics/Read/994551733/These-two-leaders-were-like-one-glass-and-one-bed
Might be helpful 456legend(talk) 11:18, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @456legend. DC article focuses on the film, rather than the relationship b/w CBN and YSR. The Hindu is a comment from CBN. India Herald article reads like a tabloid. We need better sources — DaxServer (t · m · c) 11:22, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I understand. 456legend(talk) 11:24, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reach to concensus[edit]

Kindly reach to the concensus and follow up the previous concensus by the previous editors in another section on this talk page.

Provide sources before adding any content. Disruptive edits are not accepted as per Wikipedia.

Some of the content here is highly questionable since the original content by the previous editors was deleted and replaced by a new editor in his/her tone. And this problem was not addressed at the right time. 456legend(talk) 16:26, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello 456legend could you be specific? Which section titles are WP:POV? Invasive Spices (talk) 24 December 2022 (UTC)
Hey @Invasive Spices: refer to the section "Chief minister of United Andhra Pradesh (1995-2004)" where the content mentioning backstabbing does not provide any proper sources. The sources provided does not cite any such kind of news. Refer to the sources yourself in that section. And title were actually retitled by another user by now so I think there are no more titles that are WP:POV as of now.
@Invasive Spices: And to mention please refer to this diff [[3]] where the sourced content was blanked in the name of editing or shortening to provide a summary, I don't any of the summary now. This content was previously added by other users based on the previous consensus on this talk page, please refer to the above sections in this talk page investigate the editing consensus. Which I suppose that the removed sourced content needs to be replaced immediately.
Can you answer the reason for section blanking? @Chinnusaikrish:

Mass revert[edit]

@Chinnusaikrish Why did you revert my edits as well as that of the other editor? I did not remove any incidents or present anything in a substantively different way. Those were simple incremental edits meant to improve structure. Very very little was removed by myself, such as the word "miserably" which is unencyclopedic WP:TONE. Please restore all those edits of mine which you don't actually object to, and we will discuss those that you do object to. Regards —Alalch E. 18:33, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ChinnusaikrishThe tone that you added is clearly disruptive and is not according to the concensus. Most of the sources you cited belong to unreliable websites- not secured as per Wikipedia. There's clearly no point of neutrality. Other sources are mere political statements by people from other parties as part of political allegations cannot be taken as souces. There must be strong evidence of secondary sources. 456legend(talk) 18:36, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

hello @User:Alalch E., I reverted his edits as of now again. We will wait from hom to discuss. 456legend(talk) 18:37, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@456legend: By WP:BOLDly proceeding with your idea about what should be removed, I now understand what you talked about, with regard to describing actions of entities who are not exactly Naidu individually. However, I don't agree with you that this should be removed. It's relevant because he was the party leader. I prefer that the removed content be restored first, but we can still discuss it. —Alalch E. 19:36, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alalch E., Yes we must discuss before performing any actions, but to explain further the user already disrupted multiple pages with a negative tone and also has been warned by another user. He already is having a biased nature of editing (refer to his edit history, that I have observed today of his past edits), In this case I don't think we need to restore the content this user added. Or are you referring to the previous content that this user removed? 456legend(talk) 19:50, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also to mention as you said you can mention about other enties but is it really required to glorify the foreign entities that do not belong to this subject. I also don't mean that we need to glorify this subject. I just wanted to say that we must ensure neutrality. The words like complete, entire, overall is subject to question of the neutrality. This page was already effected with a fan point of view template earlier but that also dosent mean we need to defame the subject in a way so that we can remove the template, that is what exactly this user did here. Lastly I want to say that we need to discuss the facts before restoring the content that this user added because it is very much questionable in the initial instance itself since he added titles with a negative tone, not one or two but all of them...I suppose you were the one who rectified it, so we must discuss before restoring these kind of edits. And to mention this user removed/replaced the sourced content of this subject (check the edit history) does that not say these are clearly disruptive edits? (Still pending to be added them too....are we actually not supposed to restore that part first?) Alaach E. 456legend(talk) 19:57, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
[ec] I'm talking about these removals diff, which you made. I don't agree with most of them. Most of that content is relevant in this article but the language needs to be more neutral. We do not need to discuss everything before performing actions. /this is a reply to your first comment, as you made two; I can't reply in more detail now/ —Alalch E. 20:02, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The words like "complete useless" is not something neutral. Padayatra of a opponent should be clearly placed on the respective page or okay it's fine to discuss about it. And lastly to the third one was not sources that said "given advantage" and "sympathy" (not sourced) 456legend(talk) 20:14, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct that attributing to Naidu a statement that power subsidies to farmers are "completely useless" is unacceptable, based on current sourcing; these words are not in the cited source, and using them to describe his position is not neutral. However, he did oppose the power subsidies; his government raised electricity prices -- that is in the source. So that needs to be said. While Naidu raised prices, the opposition promised free power; this influenced voters, which was a factor in his electoral loss. The source explains this. If we include this information, we are not taking a side; maybe Naidu was right to raise the prices, while the promise of free power by the opposition was a hollow one -- it doesn't matter when we are describing a concrete election cycle. I know that you understand that this is how politics works :) About Reddy's padayatra -- ths is very relevant in the article. It's information necessary to understand how Naidu fell from power. Context is important. This is also in the source.
This is an example representing other content which you object to, that needs to be rewritten, not removed.
However, regarding this sentence: Chandrababu Naidu who had just escaped from an assination attempt thought of having an advantage of sympathy. -- I completely agree with your removal. That is an example of the prohibited practice of original synthesis. —Alalch E. 17:50, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Alalch E.:Yes, I understood, this is what we must do and reach to concensus before adding it. That is what I have suggested the other user to discuss it first. Thank you for understanding the intention. And to mention please see this revision history where the content was blanked without even providing any summary by the same user and he has not yet provided the reason for it. [[4]] 456legend(talk) 18:22, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

February 2023[edit]

@456legend: Your major rewrite of the whole article, while probably good in various parts seems to have removed all criticism of Naidu which is against WP:NPOV; please remake this change in a series of incremental edits (section by section) so it's easier to review; some references were removed too such as https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/chandrababu-naidus-son-nara-lokesh-takes-oath-as-minister/article17762250.ece
Sincerely. —Alalch E. 12:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Alalch E., I am still in the process of segregation of the content and I will add them accordingly. Since majority of the content was previously removed unexplained. 456legend(talk) 13:05, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Alalch E.You should revert it again by checking the previous edits and add the criticism by yourself instead of removing the sourced content that was previously removed (mass removal) by another user. Please check the edit history. 456legend(talk) 13:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Alalch E. sir, I have now added the criticism part too, I think this is enough or are we left with anything else? 456legend(talk) 13:35, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 – Alalch E. 16:55, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Alalch E., I have added the criticism part again as a separate section since the previous editor removed the other content. I am still in the process of correcting the data after the analysis of the sources since most of the sources were not claiming any statements. 456legend(talk) 13:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Alalch E.I have now added the criticism part in a different section. 456legend(talk) 13:36, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I will need to take a closer look. A "criticism section" is something that should be avoided whenever it can. You restored certain points of criticism that you had removed but grouped them all under the criticism heading. That is usually seen as a step back. —Alalch E. 16:55, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alalch E. (talk · contribs) I grouped them because the information was not consistent with any of the categories present. None of the sources actually put forward those particular statements that is present in criticism, but just give a cite about the info. But I ensured to not delete the consistent information for example: the defeat in the 2009 and the backlash from farmers, the criticism of the Opposition and also the cash for vote scam. I haven't removed any of them because it was consistent with the information and was very much neutral like any other wiki article. Anyways you are free to add any further criticism if necessary citations are available and also you are allowed to de-integrate the grouped criticism and add it in the other categories if you feel they are consistent. Other than this, the rest of the info that I have added is sourced content that has been removed unexplained 1 month ago. I hope you analysize the edit history and the article and reach me out for any discussion or concensus if required. 456legend(talk) 17:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled[edit]

Page is full of misleads and previous pages are removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Singhal.sasthry (talkcontribs) 06:01, 18 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

National Role[edit]

Role in National Politics[edit]

Chandrababu Naidu's involvement in national politics during an era dominated by non-Congress coalition politics in Delhi is notable.[1] In the aftermath of the 1996 parliamentary elections, he assumed the role of convenor for the United Front, a coalition comprising 13 political parties that secured power at the Centre. The coalition government was headed by H.D. Deve Gowda and later I.K. Gujral between 1996 and 1998. The United Front had its headquarters at Andhra Pradesh Bhavan in New Delhi.

Subsequently, Chandrababu Naidu's significance in national affairs amplified after the 1999 Lok Sabha elections.The TDP and the BJP, which had a pre-poll understanding in the state, together won 36 MPs out of 42.[2] The BJP emerged as the largest single party in the Lok Sabha. The TDP extended the support of 29 of its MPs to the National Democratic Alliance government headed by A.B.Vajpayee.[3] TDP did not join the government, extending only ‘issue-based support’.[4] Naidu claimed that though Vajpayee offered eight cabinet berths to his party, the TDP stayed away from the union cabinet and offered external support.[5] Salivahana (talk) 16:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Gali, Nagaraja (13 Oct 2022). "How Chandrababu scuttled Mulayam's chances of becoming PM in 1996". The Federal. Retrieved 17 July 2023.
  2. ^ Shireen (8 Oct 1999). "Vajpayee urges TDP to join ministry". Rediff. Retrieved 17 July 2023.
  3. ^ UNI (8 Oct 1999). "TDP extends support to NDA". Rediff. Retrieved 17 July 2023.
  4. ^ UNI (11 Oct 1999). "Naidu says no to slice of government". Rediff. Retrieved 17 July 2023.
  5. ^ ANI (17 Aug 2018). "Chandrababu Naidu pays tribute to Vajpayee". Retrieved 17 July 2023.

Lead of the page[edit]

Alalch E. Seems u mistook and didn't clearly follow my explanation. I don't intend to present anything in a negative tone but rather in the present status and position of a politician. A politician's recent major electoral achievement or debacle has to be established which were present in my edits. This has nothing to do with the violation of the policy as a politician holds a position in the governmental/public activity. So that has to be represented for a clear understanding of his present status which I did. The lead section added by you has no citations and many of it are way out of context.

Some of it follows: He directed the founding of HITEC city which is false as that was inaugurated and directed by former CM Janardhan Reddy. You even added a sentence about directing the construction of new capital city which is not yet completed or in the mid-way and the matter is sub-judice in the court. These are not needed since they had already been present in the page's respective sections. Mine looks crisp and up to the point. ~ Chinnusaikrish (talk) 07:06, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mention of HITEC City in the lead follows what is said about it in the body. Things that are present in the body are precisely needed in the lead, because the whole purpose of the lead is to restate them in a summarized way, per MOS:LEAD. A lead section does not need citations per MOS:LEADCITE, unless there is some exceptional reason why a citation would be beneficial. Your "crisp and up to the point" lead is utterly unacceptable. Your "explanation" is terrible and you must urgently give up on this WP:RECENTIST and WP:POV idea, or it may be concluded that you are unable to contribute constructively to this article. —Alalch E. 07:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But this way of summarizing whole of the body into the lead didn't quite present a crisp idea and makes it a mini-version of the history of a politician. Is it alright ? And what about the HITEC city issue which was wrongly mentioned and the capital city thing which is sub-judice. These can be included in the respective sections as well. ~ Chinnusaikrish (talk) 07:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's right, it's a mini version of the biography, a summary of the whole biography. See other well-developed articles about politicians, such as Liz Truss or Bill Clinton. Please give me some time to think about mentioning the HITEC City and the other city in the lead. I think that these are due mentions, especially the HITEC City, which is one of the things Naidu is known for, especially in the west (example), but I'm less certain about the need to mention the new capital of AP. —Alalch E. 07:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm okay with mentioning some of the body here. Mentioning the start of his political journey and some events afterwards are a bit needed. But the whole body of the page is presented as a fan POV where it missed true sense. Summarizing this fan POV body in the lead might not appeal proper as they need more precise explanations which is why I excluded them all. This is where you misunderstood me. And for HITEC City and the capital can be discussed in the respective sections as they seem controversial. ~ Chinnusaikrish (talk) 07:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't the same whether HITEC City is controversial as something that may be assessed positively or negatively, or if it's controversial in the sense that sources disagree about whose idea it was and under whose government it was built. There is no controversy in the sources that Naidu is the initiator of the HITEC City project. The same holds for Amaravati. Amaravati seems less important so I've removed it from the time being, but there is not way that removing HITEC City, which is basically the main thing Naidu is known for in the West is appropriate. I agree that the body is pretty weak, and needs much work. As the body of the article is improved, the lead will be adjusted accordingly. —Alalch E. 08:01, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for making a change and I would like to edit the body as well as many events are not unfolded properly and needed clear explanations with sense which might make the lead more convincing and neutral. And regarding the HITEC city, it is not about being credited for or known for but the initiation of it had been by some other CM but it is presented as if it was established and conceived by Naidu which is far from reality and incorrect. Such events need clear presentation which is missing. Better to avoid them in the lead by elaborately mentioning them in the respective sections. ~ Chinnusaikrish (talk) 08:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sources attribute the project to Naidu in an unqualified way. According to the sources, it was his idea and the project was put into motion by his government, during his chief ministership. But you may be right, and it may not be so clear cut. But a reliable source is required to present this in a less-clear-cut way. It would be great if you would make the needed improvements to the body. What he did during his terms in both policy and politics is pretty weakly covered. —Alalch E. 08:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems you mistook Cyber Towers to HITEC City. This project was envisioned by the then Central Congress Government with the inauguration by Rajiv Gandhi under the regime of former CM Janardhan Reddy. Under Naidu's regime several IT companies were fielded with further expansion in many areas. This was misproperly Rpresented as his vision and inauguration which has to be differentiated properly. Better to expand this in the respective section. efer - (https://www.sakshipost.com/politics/2018/12/05/a-timeline-of-cyberabad-history-fact-check-for-chandrababu-naidu )
And as I said before I'm going ahead with improving the body in a better way so that the facts and events may get presented true to the sense and Thanks for allowing me. ~ Chinnusaikrish (talk) 09:00, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]