Talk:Uniform Time Act

DoE Report

The DoE report entitled "Impact of Extended Daylight Saving Time on National Energy Consumption" came out in October 2008 and it can be found here:

• http://www1.eere.energy.gov/ba/pba/pdfs/epact_sec_110_edst_report_to_congress_2008.pdf

This page needs updating to reflect this.

Open Questions

I intentionally obfuscated these points:

• What does the law say? Did it offer incentives to states for getting with the program, and if so are states free to change their mind later? Does it require them to do so, under the authority of the federal power to regulate interstate commerce, and if so, was the applicability considered an open-and-shut case, or if not, was it adjudicated? (IMO, this might be a good illustrative case for federal/state relations.)
• An Indian reservation in AZ (Navajo?) is an example of DST within a non-DST state. Is the exception official? Is there a practical reason for putting up with the confusion, or is it primarily an assertion of tribal sovereignty? Is there an explicit exception in the act for some or all tribes, or an uncontestedly applicable provision in another law? What is the history of DST there since the act? (Is it a carry-over from before the act?) Do Federal officials comply with reservation practice or the no-variation-within-state pattern in their dealings with the tribal authorities and the populace?
• Are there exceptions besides those cited in the Time zone article?

--Jerzy(t) 17:38, 2004 Apr 6 (UTC)

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It is my belief that the former approach brings more uniformity to wikipedia, thus the style edit. Kukini 06:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

What state?

In the "Non-observers" section, I find:

"The various Native American nations within the state ..."

In the context, it's not clear what state is being referred to, so the quote needs to be reworded here. Was the quote taken from another Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 15:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

The wording is from earlier versions of this article that were modified by later editors who did realize that their rewording made "the state" ambiguous. The image clearly indicates that the state is Arizona. No other state has Native American nations who disagree with the DST/non-DST choice of the state within which they are located. I am modifying the paragraph accordingly, and adding missing states and territories where appropriate. — Joe Kress (talk) 23:34, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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DST start date combined with Orthodox (Eastern) Easter

Since the Uniform Time Act of 1966 was passed, years 1967, 1970, 1973, 1976, 1978, and 1981 had Daylight Saving Time begin on Orthodox Easter.

Year	DST begins	Orthodox Easter	Offset
1967	April 30	April 30	same day
1968	April 28	April 21	−1 week
1969	April 27	April 13	−2 weeks
1970	April 26	April 26	same day
1971	April 25	April 18	−1 week
1972	April 30	April 9	−3 weeks
1973	April 29	April 29	same day
1974	January 6	April 14	14 weeks
1975	February 23	May 4	10 weeks
1976	April 25	April 25	same day
1977	April 24	April 10	−2 weeks
1978	April 30	April 30	same day
1979	April 29	April 22	−1 week
1980	April 27	April 6	−3 weeks
1981	April 26	April 26	same day
1982	April 25	April 18	−1 week
1983	April 24	May 8	2 weeks
1984	April 29	April 22	−1 week
1985	April 28	April 14	−2 weeks
1986	April 27	May 4	1 week

Then beginning in 1987 the dates seldom match, as Daylight saving time in the United States moved from the last Sunday of April to the first Sunday of April, so the start of Daylight Saving Time in the United States in 1987 was on April 5

However before the Uniform Time Act of 1966 was passed, most places that observed DST had the last Sunday in April as start date, so 1924, 1927, 1935, 1938, 1940, 1949, 1951, 1954, 1962, and 1965 had also shared the same dates

In 1943 both the Western and Eastern Easters occurred on April 25, but however in 1943 since World War II was happening, and Daylight Saving Time was year round and was called War Time from February 9, 1942 to September 30, 1945.

--98.31.29.4 (talk) 02:13, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

What were all the DST start dates from end of World War II and Uniform Time Act passed in 1966

In most locations that did observe Daylight Saving Time from 1946 to 1966, years 1946-1954 begin DST on last Sunday in April at 02:00 local time, end DST on last Sunday in September at 02:00 local time

From 1946 to 1954 (DST begins local time 02:00 on last Sunday in April, DST ends local time 02:00 on last Sunday in September), starting in 1955 the end date of Daylight Saving Time was the last Sunday in October.

From 1955 to 1966 (DST begins local time 02:00 on last Sunday in April, DST ends local time 02:00 on last Sunday in October), extending the end date to the last Sunday in October start date remains the same.

Year	DST begins last Sunday in April (02:00 local time)	DST ends last Sunday in September (02:00 local time) years 1954 and prior (ends last Sunday in October (02:00 local time) beginning in 1955)
1946	April 28	September 29
1947	April 27	September 28
1948	April 25	September 26
1949	April 24	September 25
1950	April 30	September 24
1951	April 29	September 30
1952	April 27	September 28
1953	April 26	September 27
1954	April 25	September 26
1955	April 24	October 30
1956	April 29	October 28
1957	April 28	October 27
1958	April 27	October 26
1959	April 26	October 25
1960	April 24	October 30
1961	April 30	October 29
1962	April 29	October 28
1963	April 28	October 27
1964	April 26	October 25
1965	April 25	October 31
1966	April 24	October 30

--98.31.29.4 (talk) 03:36, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

bad article

This article has a couple of significant problems. First it claims the Act was a law. As far as I know, it IS a law. (as of Feb 26, 2020). (If the law has been amended, then the amendments /addendums/etc. should be noted here, but I doubt any have been signed or passed into law. (There is currently (at least) one (Congressional) bill proposing to make DST permanent, but that's been "sent" to committee.)) Unless there is a good reason for the "was", it should be changed immediately. Second, the claim that (under certain circumstances) a State may exempt itself is contradicted by the US DOT information which claims there are two ways to exempt (or change) the time of an area (not just a state). One is by CONGRESSIONAL statute (i.e. a change in Federal Law). The other is by a change in the regulations (currently USDOT/Commerce Regulations, i.e. the Secretary of Commerce decides/signs the reg. based on a request from the "highest" civil authority of that area. This article implies that only states and only ones with a time-line boarder within the state or at the boarder of the state can become exempt. That is obviously wrong, since the article shows a map where the Hopi nation is neither a state nor on/by a time-line boarder. Thirdly, the claim that the American Indian nations within AZ have the right to use or not to use DST needs authoritative citation. As I mentioned above the Dept of Commerce regulates this and decides on exceptions - not a local political entity (e.g state, city, county, AmInd nation)(but I haven't read the relevant Federal Regulation, it may delegate that power to them (I'm unclear if that is even possible)) Fourth, NIST has a map which includes times for Puerto Rico, Aleutian Islands, Chamorro, and Samoa but does not mention U.S. Virgin Isls., N. Mariana Isls. nor Guam. (N. Mari. & Guam make up the Chamorro TZ). The article should mention both the territories themselves and the Time Zone they are part of, obviously. Finally, the (unrealized) efforts to eliminate the time change from Std Time to DST should be mentioned, imho. As well as the fact that the date of the change has varied since (and before) the Act was signed into law, and that various entities (Indiana for sure, since I experienced it) have changed their status/use of DST over the years. A table might be a good idea, or perhaps a timeline.40.142.179.222 (talk) 22:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

it would help if you actually read the act. Section 3(a) says "except that any State may by law exempt itself from the provisions of this subsection...". Obviously the text of the law supercedes any "information" from the DOT or Department of Commerce.

DST start date 2044

Under the current law, Daylight Saving Time will start on March 13, 2044, however Orthodox Easter falls on April 24, 2044, Daylight Saving Time will start 6 weeks earlier than Orthodox Easter. April 24, 2044 would be the start date under the old-old schedule, the reason why it won't start on April 24, 2044 is because the Energy Policy Act moved the start date to the second Sunday in March that went into effect in 2007, however the Energy Policy Act also moved the end date. Under the old schedule the start date would be April 3, 2044.

--98.31.29.4 (talk) 18:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Removing the "issues" header

I've removed the issues header on the grounds that: 1) it now has adequate citations. 2) as it is an article about a specific US law, it is inherently mostly based on a single source, to wit that specific law's text. 3) whoever put the header on the article did not provide any reasoning for it here on the talk page. 4) in the 9 years since the header was added no-one has made specific edits to address the susposed issues, or discussed them in the talk page, thus there is "silent consensus" that issues do not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.48.95.185 (talk) 14:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)