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Abduction[edit]

There is absolutely nothing in the definition of "abduction" that refers to the sex of the victim, it's merely a synonym for kidnapping. 3. (Law) The wrongful, and usually the forcible, carrying off of a human being; as, the abduction of a child, the abduction of an heiress.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, © 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

Theanthrope 01:53 Apr 8, 2003 (UTC)

However, Black's Law Dictionary has this definition: The unlawful taking or detention of any female for purposes of marriage, concubinage, or prostitution. SCCarlson 14:12 Apr 8, 2003 (UTC)

It's no more than anecdotal and distracting to include mention of the BLD's aberrational definition of abduction -- especially when it's usage implies some measure of acceptance of that definition. This definition is NOT in use in almost any legal jurisdiction (Common or Civil law) and runs directly contrary to popular perception and general English definitions. The primary usage of the term abduction in legal circles (ie actual statutes and the text of legal decisions) originates from its usage in the title of the Hague Abduction Convention, which contains absolutely no gender specific references whatsoever.--Cybermud (talk) 23:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I refer you to sections 17, 19, 20 and 21 of the Sexual Offences Act 1956 ("abduction" of women), which replace earlier legislation. The former offence under section 56 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861 was called "child stealing" rather than abduction, so it might be possible that the word abduction originally referred to something done in respect of women.

As far as the legal meaning of the word abduction is concerned, popular perception, colloqiual usage and definitions contained in dictionaries that don't have legal credentials, or do not appear to be intended to be technically correct, are not reliable sources. James500 (talk) 11:52, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Statistics[edit]

This kind of article needs stats. Superm401 | Talk 22:03, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC)

since 1998, Venezuela is among south americas highest kidnapping country. http://www.cicpc.gov.ve/

Sudan?[edit]

"... presently in some parts of the world, (such as southern Sudan) kidnapping ..." Is this a provable fact? Slavery in Sudan does say that this is disputed. And the 'such as southern Sudan' does not enhance the explanation really.

I am the one who added the last comment. I have subsequently deleted the disputed fact. If you have any comment, please do. --Karouri 18:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

False imprisonment[edit]

The article says that false imprisonment is a common law offense [sic] in English law.

Is false imprisonment an offence, or merely an actionable wrong (tort)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.88.52.124 (talk • contribs)

It is both. James500 (talk) 11:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Black Ops Mission to recover the president's daughter?[edit]

The United States Government does not spend $70 Billion on black ops missions to recover the president's daughter. This is unverified and completely false. Pbdsc (talk) 14:39, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, removed. WLU (talk) 21:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Corruption[edit]

"Some types of kidnapping are a kind of corruption.[citation needed]" removed as it doesn't really mean anything. How is kidnapping a kind of corruption? sijarvis (talk) 16:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology[edit]

Where is the word from? Are derivatives (adultnapping, etc.) correct? 75.118.170.35 (talk) 01:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From the practice of stealing children in the streets of London to sell them as indentured servants into the colonies. Kar98 (talk) 14:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The practice was much wider than just sale as indentured servants. Back in the 18th century there was a "wild" rumour that certain madams habitually stole unaccompanied young children (almost all girls) to satisfy their pedophile customers; these girls would after their rapes be raised as prostitutes. The Victorians and early 20th century historians saw this as some kind of bizarre hysteria that never really happened, but it now appears that they were wrong and that the thefts did take place, and to a greater extent than even the rumours implied. There are books written on this subject, especially by scholars affiliated with the Salvation Army and the Methodist Church. --NellieBly (talk) 13:40, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, isn't the word itself a bit silly sounding to describe an abduction of grown people, or even animals ? (It sure sounds silly to me, and english isn't even my first language. Actually the english word has been directly transposed in french and is commonly used with the same meaning, but just knowing what a kid is it doesn't sounds right.) Shouldn't something be said about it in the article ? And as the original poster in that section asked, without getting a relevant reply to that specific question in almost 10 years, are there more correct alternatives which are accepted as correct and are significantly used ?--Abolibibelot (talk) 09:52, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

One cause loneliness?[edit]

Is there any info on child kidnappings being done by lonely adults who want companionship? Stars4change (talk) 05:46, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kidnapping by foreign intelligence agency[edit]

I am not sure if this would fit here, but I think that another subject could be situation when somebody is kidnapped by agents of foreign intelligence agency and then forcibly brought to their own country for trial and/or execution. One notable case that comes to my mind is kidnapping of Adolf Eichmann from Argentina by Mossad operatives. Eichmann was brought to Israel, tried and executed. This could serve as an example of state-organised kidnapping. Any other ideas?

Łukasz M. P. Pastuszczak (talk) 17:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Major contradiction regarding kidnappings in the U.S.[edit]

So the article states that only 115 standard ransom kidnappings occured in the entire U.S. (but not when), but in the preceeding paragraph that "hundreds" of ransom kidnappings occur in Pheonix every year. This is incredibly contradictory, and someone needs to straighten it out. Some guy (talk) 22:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cut[edit]

I have cut the following passage as I think it is so vague that it adds nothing. James500 (talk) 11:28, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are various rules that stop prosecutions being brought too easily.[1]
  1. ^ Gary Slapper (23 Aug 2007). "The Law Explored: abduction and false imprisonment". The Times. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); External link in |title= (help)

Named forms[edit]

Child abduction should not be listed as a form of kidnapping. The offence under section 1 of the Child Abduction Act 1984 is a separate offence, and in some respects it is broader than kidnapping because it can be committed even though the child consents. James500 (talk) 15:31, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Virtual kidnapping[edit]

This is another type of kidnapping which deserves a mention here and a new article in itself. See here, here, and here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.69.11.248 (talk) 14:34, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. cities[edit]

I removed the below claims, which are not supported by the reference given. These are scary claims, which it seems imprudent to make without any evidence to back them up. -- Beland (talk) 16:45, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Other major U.S. cities that are hotbeds for kidnappings are Detroit, Atlanta, New Orleans, Houston, and Chicago.[1] Many of them are done by major street gangs near tourist attractions.

References[edit]

  1. ^ Quinones, Sam (2009-02-12). "Phoenix, kidnap-for-ransom capital". Latimes.com. Retrieved 2012-01-20.

An omission[edit]

Up until the 19th century, kidnapping was a major source of obtaining merchandise for the slave trade. (Other attested sources were abandoned children, prisoners of war, bankruptcy, & children of slaves.) This has been fairly well documented for the Horn of Africa, & was one of the perks of warfare back in the day -- plundering the countryside included grabbing people who would be sold at the next slave market. I also remember reading that during Anglo-Saxon times, people were warned not to board Irish ships in Bristol because the unwary visitor would be kidnapped to Ireland & sold as a slave. Shanghaiing men to crew sailing ships is simply the latest variation on this crime. I'm sure there are more examples of this malevolent behavior towards strangers & the innocent that could be found with a determined search thru historical sources. -- llywrch (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Choice of Image[edit]

Hello all, I hope we can find a better image to accompany this article, as the one we have currently (a white woman being kidnapped by a member of the Mapuche tribe) is rather racially charged. Any suggestions (that aren't too disturbing)?

Muggins34 (talk) 08:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't racially charged. You are charging it racially, and I'd suggest you stop doing it and stop being racist by seeing everything through the lense of race. It's merely a random person being kidnapped by other random people, and as such, the image accurately depicts the subject matter of the article. The race (and any other characteristics) of the individuals involved are completely irrelevant. Also, the Mapuche people aren't a race, but an ethnicity. So racism isn't even applicable in this situation. 191.114.35.213 (talk) 00:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The current image referenced is meant to dehumanize Indigenous peoples of the Americas, thus justify genocide and claiming land and resources for European settlers. The artist is noted for depicting people as "savage" because of their race. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:12D0:4500:54F8:F4BB:FCFE:96AF (talk) 00:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, it most certainly isn't. Wikipedia is not the place to interpret your own personal views into works of art. There are plenty of online art fora for that. It's a simple depiction of an event that could have occurred exactly as shown and most likely did, more than once. Just as it is likely to have occurred the other way around too, with Hispanic riders abducting native girls. If you read more history, you might realize that history happens to be quite savage and violent, no matter where you look. And the Mapuche and other native populations certainly weren't exempt from such behaviour. As a matter of fact, the Mapuche in Chile pride themselves for their past of being a people of hardy and violent warriors. Are they racist and dehumanizing towards themselves?
"The artist is noted for depicting people as "savage" because of their race" Noted by whom? Neither his English, Spanish, Portuguese or German article says such a thing about him. 190.100.175.35 (talk) 20:35, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Moritz_Rugendas

"Forced imprisonment" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Forced imprisonment. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 21:25, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Forcible confinement" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Forcible confinement. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 21:25, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kidnapped intent to steal[edit]

How to defend a person who done a crime of kidnapped intent to steal Genius Mtoto (talk) 14:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A Self Planned Kidnapping[edit]

Will Someone Please Present Details About What Happens If Someone Plans Their Own Kidnapping & Then It Gets Carried Out? Jackjohnson52183 (talk) 02:05, 25 December 2022 (UTC)jackjohnson52183[reply]

Punishments in other countries mentioned[edit]

What are the punishments like for kidnapping in the other countries that were mentioned in the article? Diz228 (talk) 14:42, 6 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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