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Tomoe pronunciation[edit]

After the torture with the dub... I realized something I had thankfully forgotten (i.e. everything with the dub is thankfully forgotten). That is Tomoe and the dub pronunciation of Tomoe are different, though spelled the same. I think this should have a light mention somewhere. Anyone want to add it? --Hitsuji Kinno 21:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned in Sailor Moon (English versions) already, I think... --Masamage 23:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Umm.. but the page mentions that Hotaru's name didn't change in the dub... so perhaps the sentence should be adjusted? --Hitsuji Kinno 09:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It says "The only Sailor Senshi who retains her original name is Hotaru Tomoe, though the final 'e' in her family name is not pronounced."
Anyway, come to think of it I don't think there's anything wrong with its being mentioned here too. X) Goofy Masa. Probably the variations section? --Masamage 16:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Then technically this sentence should be changed (or modified to say *spelling*: "She is the only protagonist whose name was not modified in the English dub." and then the pronunciation difference listed under variations. Is that fair? --Hitsuji Kinno 00:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that sounds good. I think my hesitation to lean too much on the pronunciation difference is that everyone else's surnames are mispronounced too ('MEE-zu-no' vs. 'Mizz-OOH-no', etc.). That's not really a big deal, I guess, but there it is. --Masamage 02:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Powers Section[edit]

The descriptions for Death Reborn Revolution and dropping the Silence Glaive contradict themselves. Death Reborn Revolution should probably be edited to describe what it actually does, and that is it inflicts a heavy amount of damage in the manga, and is an attack used before Saturn dropped her glaive in the anime (according to the official film books)-- not that it has the power to destroy the world. mochi 13:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that too, and agree. I'm not sure I have the details down exactly enough to fix it correctly myself, but it does need to be fixed. --Masamage 22:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure either since that particular power is always being debated. mochi 21:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't dropping the Silence Glaive part of "Death Reborn Revolution"? I'm pretty sure that's how it's mentioned in the manga. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:25, 4 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is no incantation for dropping the glaive. Saturn drops the Silence Glaive about six pages after she says Death Reborn Revolution. She also makes a couple of statements to Pharaoh 90 before actually dropping her glaive during those pages. Also, about three pages prior the dropping, the attack has actually ended via the ribbons vanishing. However, it does appear that some kind of light or energy forms around the blade of the glaive right before she drops it. Perhaps that's worth mentioning? mochi 07:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I dunno. That's interesting, but it's so much detail with so little clear meaning that it seems like fancruft. --Masamage 19:50, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
>.<;; Fan confusion again. "Silence Glaive Surprise" is not the same as "Death Reborn Revoluion." There is no Death Reborn Revolution anime side, only in the Another Story game. It was never given a name or shown what she actually did to Pharaoh 90, so it can't be *that* attack. Rule is not named, then it is not it. (See Sailor Cosmos anime reference section.) Personally, it sounded like slashing to me, which is very different profile from the manga attack. The pages where the attack happens are 90-96. She is powering up from pages 90-95, and releases on page 96. It creates such great destruction in the form of tornados/typhoon type funnels hat Pluto seals her in the time gates. Then Sailormoon has to power up to Princess Serenity form to restore that section of the city. (this was not done in the anime. They just left it a wreck. =P This is volume 10, Act 33, original manga. --Hitsuji Kinno 06:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it's "that jutsu". ^_^ Danny Lilithborne 06:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dropping the Silence Glaive comes at the end of "Death Reborn Revolution", right? Wouldn't that make the first and last attack on the page in the "Powers" section the same? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 08:15, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Several years late, but so we don't keep throwing around wrong information, "mochi" said the official film books state that Death Reborn Revolution is used. And they do. That isn't to say the film books are correct, though, but "mochi's" statement isn't incorrect "fanconfusion." 76.22.123.49 (talk) 07:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

mabye she just cut pharoh 90 to ribbons (pun intended) but not useing an sailor attack Sailor cuteness 20:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, let's clear this up. Look here (Death Reborn Revolution is an manga only attack) and here (Death Reborn Revolution does not destroy the world)--Freesonwang 00:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hotaru's age[edit]

She is 13 in Super, but I was under the impression that in the anime she is much younger when she returns in Stars. Given her height, body shape/size, her voice, her looks, etc. in Stars compared to her in Super, I'd honestly guess that she was about 8 or 9 in Stars. How is it known that she returns to being 13 in the anime? Here are two pictures for comparison: Hotaru in Super x Hotaru in Stars —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.111.135 (talk • contribs)

Manga side she was 13 when we first met her in the Infinity arc. Then she was made a baby, so she was about less than one years old, perhaps a few months since she was still weaning and not taking solid food. Then She restored herself to about 5 years old. Then an older version of her met her in Dream. In Dream, she then regained her age of 13 years old. This is incidentally the same age that Chibiusa becomes (mentally). They are later shown as being in the same grade later in the manga running off to school. Anime side it was a bit more complex. She is shown a 13, first with flashbacks of her being about 3 years old, maybe older like 5 when the lab accident happened and her mother died. (Keiko in the manga was older than Souichi... you go boy.. get that older woman.) Then she is destroyed, made a baby, her father takes her and cares for her, Pluto cares for her, she grows quickly to about 5 years old and then takes a bath and grows to an estimated age of maybe 10-11 years old? I think this also happens to coincide with Chibiusa of the time. However, she does not advance beyond that point like her manga counterpart. >.<;; Versions are going to kill me. They are all guesstimates anyhow. --Hitsuji Kinno 06:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Arg I know... Just trying think about Hotaru (and Setsuna) give me a headache....Lego3400: The Sage of Time 23:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I think she was 12 when we first see her in the manga. According to records of the accident in which she was badly injured that Mamoru and others look up online, she was 8 at the time and this was started to have happened 4 years earlier. Lunar Archivist (talk) 19:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. Yeah, I just found that in 29, and "She was seriously ill from an accident when she was eight years old" in act 30. But I can't find exactly how long ago the accident was. Some hints...
Kenji says Tomoe "was a world-famous scholar of genetic engineering. Seven, eight years ago. But he was probably too quick to announce his research, and he was banished by the scientific community." Then, in Mamoru's search, we learn that "He continually repeated his genetic experiments on animals, and was outcast by the scientific community. He put his experimental know-how out for sale, and it was bought up by the Infinity district. Two years later, there was a fire while the buildings were under construction."
So if Tomoe was outcast 7-8 years ago, and the accident was 2 years later, that makes Hotaru 13-14 years old. But then the "two years later" might refer to him being bought up by Infinity, which could have been any amount of time after being outcast. Blah! --Masamage ♫ 19:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked Act 29. It looks like we're both getting a bit confused here. Let's try and clear this up: :)
  • Kenji Tsukino states that Professor Souichi Tomoe "was a world-famous scholar of genetic engineering...seven, eight years ago." No arguments there, but this isn't really relevant to the problem at hand other than establishing that the accident happened within the last 7 or 8 years, so we can ignore this.
  • According to my translation, he was outcast from the scientific community 6 years ago. This is consistent with the above information provided by Kenji Tsukino.
  • 2 years after he was outcast, the lab accident occurred. That means that this event took place 4 years ago.
  • At the time of the accident, Hotaru was 8 years old. Since her birthday is so early in the year (January 6th), this means that there's a 98.4% chance that this accident took place sometime after January 6th rather than before it. Since she was 8 years old 4 years ago, this means that she is currently 12 years old.
So, I'm pretty sure Hotaru Tomoe was 12 years old during the Death Busters story arc. Granted, it's confusing and involves a lot of yucky math, but it all adds up (no pun intended). Lunar Archivist (talk) 03:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

She might me older then most of the inner scouts if she wasn't in that explosion and was no reborn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.174 (talk) 18:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Saturn henshin[edit]

I added a link to a youtube of Saturns transformation, is this alright? Lego3400: The Sage of Time 04:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the guidelines just to be sure, and the third box down says we can't link to places where other people break copyright. (Most people who know about YouTube will figure it out themselves, though. ^^;;) --Masamage 04:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Really... Darn.... Is is a nice sequance though... Lego3400: The Sage of Time 04:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Only in one game, Sega Saturn one: Look here.--Freesonwang 00:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

no one was saying its in the anime ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 16:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That link also says it's not in the Playstation game, which we had been reporting. --Masamage 22:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Potential image shuffle[edit]

My thought is that if we used the manga-style Saturn image for our lead, then she would at least match up with Sailor Pluto's lead image (as Neptune and Uranus match each other). Possibly it should be zoomed in somewhat to make it larger and stronger? --Masamage 19:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

i think the manga image would look better zoomed in (thats the only reasion i thoght the other one was better :P) ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 19:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good reason. :) It kind of bugged me too, to be honest. If I zoom it it, would you mind my switching it back again? --Masamage 21:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
no i wouldnt mind i liked that pick better i just thourght it needed zooming ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 21:34, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done. How's it look? --Masamage 21:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

yer it looks way cool now its zoomed :} ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 21:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet. --Masamage 21:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Music Storage[edit]

Of all the series, only the musicals have ever included songs specifically about Sailor Saturn.[1][2]

  • "To a Brand New World" — Sailor Saturn's first theme
  • "The World Died Out" — Sailor Saturn's second theme
  • "Miss Dream" — Hotaru's theme while in the form of Miss Dream
  • "Hitosuji no Hikari no Kokoro" — Kon's theme, who possesses Hotaru
  • "Seijaku no Hostie" — Mistress 9's theme
  • "Ii Ko wa Yameta" — Hotaru and Ami duet
  • "Kokoro Tabanete Makin' for the Right" — Outer Senshi theme
  • "Kokoro Tabanete Watchin' on the Sight" — Outer Senshi theme
  • "Broken Mobius" — Outer Senshi Theme

References

  1. ^ Bacon, Michelle (September 9, 2006). "SAILORMUSIC.NET". Retrieved 2006-10-01.
  2. ^ "eternal.legend". Retrieved 2007-02-07.

Silence Glaive Surprise in the anime[edit]

Before using Silence Glaive Surprise in Nehelenia's palace, Sailor Saturn raised her Silence Glaive and said, "There seems to be no choice," and that she was going to "release the power of Death." She also said that she was going to "end everything." She is about to destroy the planet. When Nehelenia gets scared and asks Saturn why she'd do it and if it was worth it, Saturn replies, "I believe in our princess." When Nehelenia gets to blasting Saturn with her power and Saturn is blocking all of it with her Silent Wall, before she goes through with her word to release the power of Death, she says, "Princess, please save our future!" She refers to her princess again. I personally think this kind of corresponds to what she says to Sailor Moon in the Infinity Arc of the manga, in that shes putting her hope onto Sailor Moon to revive the world after she destroys it. What do you think? Anyway, she then goes on to use the Silence Glaive Surprise, but as shes swinging down the glaive Chibimoon throws herself onto Saturn before Saturn can finish bringing down the glaive, not after. The glaive was actually still being held in the air at a 60 degree angle, not close to ground at all, but even so, there was still a huge explosion easily engulfed the entire palace. So apparently, power (and a damn lot of it) is released from the glaive as soon as she begins to lower it, so even if she doesnt finish lowering the glaive to the ground there is still awesome power released from it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.111.135 (talk • contribs)

Seems fair. Thanks. --Masamage ♫ 18:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move to Sailor Saturn[edit]

Please be aware of the discussion at WP:SM about moving this article to the title Sailor Saturn. --Masamage ♫ 18:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus seems to have been reached, so here goes! I'll move it, then rewrite the lead, then clean redirects and such. --Masamage ♫ 02:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

World Destroying Power...[edit]

Can someone clear this up for me? Does Sailor Saturn's power destroy the world directly? Or (and note the difference here) is her power enough to destroy the world?

For example, I can say I have enough power to break a brick but that power can be used in other places. I can also say my power is to break a brick, which is only, applicable to...the brick.

So which is it? I think that in the manga her power destroys the world (end-of-sentence-period). Because Super Sailor Moon is there to revive it. And in the anime, she possesses enough power to destroy the world (its a sort of measurement of her power), that hits the enemy with an outrageously strong blow. (I guess like...I don't know...Self-Destruct in Pokemon.)

Can we make the difference (if there is any) show up in the article please?

Oh, and btw, does she die at the end of Infinity (S) in the manga? --70.107.173.207 18:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I understand it, her power is explicitly intended to destroy the world. She never uses it or talks about using it for any other purpose. In the manga, she did this to both the Moon and Earth kingdoms after the war that killed Queen Serenity, which allowed them to start over from the beginning; she does it again at the end of Infinity, just like you say. In the anime, she decides destroying the world is the only way to defeat Queen Nehellenia and starts to use it, but Chibiusa stops her before she can finish the move.
Using the power can only be done at the sacrifice of Saturn's life, so yes, at the end of Infinity in the manga, she follows Pharaoh 90 into wherever she banished him to. But her baby-form appears in front of the other Senshi moments later. --Masamage ♫ 18:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But in her fight with both Nehellenia and Galaxia (in the anime) the only consequences we hear about is the whole "I might die but you will die too, don't you care about your life?" argument. They never say anything like "don't you care about the world". And, alright, I just went and checked the actual line from episode 125: "The reason I am called the Warrior of Ruin is because I am given enough power to destroy a planet". However, when I use that power, I myself will also..." (It cuts off, and Sailor Moon says "You can't!").
Alrighty, so that's my evidence right there. She has enough (key word here) power to destroy the planet just like a bodybuilder can have enough power to break a brick, but that does not mean her only power is to destroy the planet. Maybe Eternal Sailor Moon or Sailor Cosmos or Neo-Queen Serenity have the power to destroy 2 planets--it seems to be more of a measurement rather than anything else. And also, I just realized, Sailor Saturn used her power (since she is reborn as a baby) and the world was not at all affected in the anime (right here in episode 125). --70.107.173.207 18:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In the manga she brought down the entire solar system. How do I figure that? Codename wa Sailor V finished *after* Sailor Moon completed. The Sailor V manga showed a civilization on Venus... so I'd assume the other planets had one too. The original manga showed Saturn being born by mistake when the three Sailors-- Sailor Nept/une, Uranus and Pluto gathered to see what was going on with the moon kingdom. This led to the final destruction of the solar System, which they were powerless to stop. She uses it to destroy pretty much everything in the solar system, including the population of Venetians and other planet's populations in the process. (i.e. they joined the war). Some of them were reborn. And evolution in this solar system started all over again, from the ground up. In the manga Princess Serenity blocked said attack. (Usagi transformed into her.) Which is why the rest of the Earth got spared. i.e. the Ginzuishou, raw power via Princess Serenity is stronger than DRR. (In that Saturn *did* bring down her glaive all the way.) When Princess Serenity used the Ginzuishou, she purged Saturn of her cybernetic parts and she was reborn as a baby.
Anime, it *can* destroy the world, but she doesn't ever get to. When she says that she also says that they will start again... i.e. evolution of the planet will start again everyone will be reborn. We don't know how far it would go. So *everything* will die. This is why Chibiusa stops her and says she should believe in Sailor Moon. ^_^--Hitsuji Kinno 19:21, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good point--it seems to function differently in the anime, perhaps as a thing that can destroy things up to and including the world, but we don't know for sure, because in that continuity it's not clear that she's ever actually used the power, or ever will. --Masamage ♫ 19:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Now wait a minute. Of course she used "the power of Death" in the anime - to destroy Pharoah 90. That's why when Super Sailor Moon comes back, she's holding a baby. But in that scene, the world is not shown as being destroyed (only Pharoah 90 is destroyed), therefore, her power in the anime is more versatile in that it can be directed not towards the world or the planet, but just towards one enemy. Again, measurement. And Chibiusa when stopped Saturn she did not mention anything about the world -- nothing like "what about the people of the Earth?" -- she said that she was worried about Saturn's life. "Don't use the power...!You'll die...". And also let's think about this logically. While in the manga she uses her power as a "fresh start" for the universe. Over here in the anime, she's trying to destroy a villain. That does not warrant a "fresh start" situation. For example, with Nehellenia, what would have happened if her power actually destroyed the world? What? Mamoru, Usagi, Chibiusa and all the other Sailor Senshi would be killed. Now, in the manga Super Sailor Moon is the can revive them. But, the anime NEVER represents Super Sailor Moon this way. The word "revive" does not come up in the S anime season. Saturn can't have that definition of power in the anime (she can only destroy the world), because there's no one there to rebuild it (Super Sailor Moon is not granted those powers in the anime. Therefore, Saturn's power in the anime isn't an end all; it's more of a self-destruct to release a huge power kinda move. Kinda like in Pokemon (the game). Or (I don't watch it) but I believe Vegeta did something similar to stop Buu at one point? (??). Saturn CAN obviously destroy the planet (because her power is enough to destroy her planet) but that's not the only thing she can do. Why would she without someone to rebuild it?--70.107.173.207 00:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
She has more powers than just the world-destroying one. She's also got Silence Wall, among other things; in the manga, she destroys Pharaoh 90 with Death Reborn Revolution. She destroys the world (several pages later) by simply bringing down her Glaive. In the anime, we don't see her destroy Pharaoh 90, but there's no reason to assume that that's the same power as the one she uses to destroy the world. Indeed, when attacking Nehellenia, she uses Silence Glaive Surprise. --Masamage ♫ 00:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm concerned about the FORM her power takes. Can her power not destroy the world (why would she?) but deliver a huge amount of energy (enough to destroy the world) to one opponent. Again, it's like someone who says "my superpower is to break bricks--that's all I can do!" versus someone who says "i'm strong enough to break bricks, but that's not all I can do; I can certainly punch your face out!". That's the question. Is she given the power to destroy the world or is she given enough power to destroy the world? (And, just sidenote, when I say "power" I'm referring to THE power, not her attacks).
And also, in the anime, episode 125, did she use her power? Yes. What happened? The world wasn't destroyed; the Pharoah 90 was; the Sailor Senshi weren't reborn. It seems clear to me that her power in the anime isn't to destroy the world, but that she is given enough power to destroy the world, but can apply it differently (aka towards one opponent). Now, manga? Anybody can clarify with the manga? Can she direct her power towards one thing or is it an end all attack?--70.107.173.207 00:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I think I see the confusion. She has a power that destroys the world. She other powers that do different things, such as shield her from attacks, and strike down enemies. The one that destroys the world isn't a matter of pure, aggressive force; what it does is kill everything on the surface of a planet while leaving the globe itself unaffected. That's not the same as just hitting a little bit harder. It's a totally different type of power. --Masamage ♫ 00:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"...but there's no reason to assume that that's the same power as the one she uses to destroy the world..." Yes. There is a reason to think that the power Saturn used to destroy Pharoah 90 in the anime is not something generic (Death Reborn Revolution or Silence Glaive Surprise) and that it is her superspecial POWER of death. Right before she jumps into Pharoah 90 she gives a whole speech about destroying herself to destroy (not the world) Pharoah 90 to Sailor Moon, which is why Sailor Moon is concerned. Saturn just told Sailor Moon her plan to destroy Pharoah 90, I quote with the episode right in front of me, "To defeat Pharaoh 90, you need to enter its core and make it all disappear at once...[blah]...The reason I am called the Warrior of Ruin is because I am given enough power to destroy a planet. However, when I use that power, I myself will also..." She is outlining her plan and obviously following through.--70.107.173.207 00:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"....what it does is kill everything on the surface of a planet while leaving the globe itself unaffected. That's not the same as just hitting a little bit harder. It's a totally different type of power....." Anime or manga? In the anime, no one except Pharaoh 90 is affected, which leads us to assume that her power isn't a power that destroys the world/orjustpeopleoftheworld/orlivingthings/whatever it's a power enough to destroy the world. A huge gigaton energy attack, the the cost of her own life.--70.107.173.207 00:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggesting that Sailor Saturn has enough "power" to destroy a planet but cannot actually destroy a planet with it (and yes, I understand what you mean by this) is incorrect; Haruka and Michiru didn't spend half the season trying to kill Hotaru fearing that Sailor Saturn could use "a power strong enough to destroy the world" to attack a single opponent; Sailor Saturn isn't called the Soldier of Ruin and the Soldier of Destruction because she can only attack opponents with planet destroying power. That whole concept is just silly. In the anime, Sailor Saturn has power that can destroy a planet. It's as simple as that. Now, Pharoah 90 hadn't yet made it to Earth when Saturn used her power (Saturn went to Pharoah 90 before he arrived on Earth), so that is why the Earth wasn't destroyed when Sailor Saturn used her power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.248.227.212 (talk • contribs)


Reset indents. Fixing a mistake... it was Sailor Saturn that was sealed in the time gate.. But Princess Serenity still was able to reverse the destruction in the manga (making her probably more powerful than her anime counterpart.) Secondly, I would argue that it was not Sailor Saturn that destroyed Pharaoh 90. It was Sailor Moon, or do you not remember her going all out and crying her transformation phrase? (That's some wonderful voicing, BTW). Sailor Saturn, not once ever called out an attack, rather it sounded like physical slashing. If you want to know *how* powerful Sailor Saturn is, this is the wrong place. Because we will not speculate. We will not say she must be all gads of powerful. The facts were listed for you. The most powerful attack she has is Death Reborn Revolution, which did not show up in the anime (And it's not right to speculate she has such an attack, because we do not know the words or extent of that power... just that she *may*have an equivalent), Silence Glaive Surprise is a lesser attack, she did physical attacks against Pharaoh 90, but did not defeat him (Sailor Moon did), and we don't know the extent of her power in the anime, because we won't surmise with you. That's it straight blank because the anime *did not* tell us how powerful she is. *However* I do think that in either canon that Sailor Moon is *apparently* stronger. Sailor Moon does things in the Eastern mind which constitutes power and being a Japanese show with a mainly Japanese audience in mind, I do think Sailor Moon, being the title character is most powerful. There is an entire arc devoted to establishing this (Stars) and also a series (Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon Sailor Stars.)--Hitsuji Kinno 16:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Sailor Saturn was the one who destroyed Pharaoh Ninety, it was Sailor Moon who saved Sailor Saturn from being destroyed after the fact. Sailor Saturn told Sailor Moon, "To destroy Pharaoh Ninety, you must do so with a single attack from within." Sailor Moon then became worried and asked Sailor Saturn's fate, to which she responded, "I am called the Soldier of Destruction because I am given enough power to destroy a planet [that is the "single attack" that she is going to perform from within Pharaoh Ninety], but when I use that power, even I have no escape." When Saturn leaves, Sailor Moon becomes extremely distraught over the fact that Hotaru has to die even after everything she (Sailor Moon) did to prevent it, and that is why Sailor Moon followed Saturn: to save her from dying. The slashing from within Pharaoh Ninety was most likely Sailor Saturn fighting her way to the center; it couldn't of possibly been Sailor Saturn trying to destroy Pharoah Ninety since she said that it had to be done with a single attack. Once in Pharaoh Ninety's core, Saturn destroyed him, and Sailor Moon arrived in time to rescue her. The scene makes it clear what happenes. Sailor Saturn defeated Pharaoh Ninety, Sailor Moon brought her back alive. Tailan All 03:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You're talking about the anime, and Hitsuji confirmed that that's exactly what happens in the anime. It's different in the manga. --Masamage ♫ 04:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I was talking about the anime, but Hitsuji was arguing that in the anime it was Sailor Moon who defeated Pharaoh Ninety, not Sailor Saturn: "Secondly, I would argue that it was not Sailor Saturn that destroyed Pharaoh 90. It was Sailor Moon, or do you not remember her going all out and crying her transformation phrase? (That's some wonderful voicing, BTW). Sailor Saturn, not once ever called out an attack, rather it sounded like physical slashing... etc. I was only explaining why it was in fact Saturn who defeated Pharaoh Ninety and not Sailor Moon. Tailan All 22:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
And Wikipedia is not a discussion board. If there is something you want to definitively add to the article that you have quote proof of and is undisputable, then list it. --Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 16:01, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It would probably be good if you remembered that yourself. This entire thread started from your speculation of Sailor Moon's powers with complete lack of citation. 76.22.123.49 (talk) 07:56, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Musical image for deletion[edit]

See the discussion here. Like I say there, I think we can do without the pictures of the musical actresses. The first one was put up at Sailor Uranus by some random person, and I ended up hunting down a few more (for the other Outers, ChibiChibi, Starlights, and Galaxia), but in the end I don't think they're really necessary. If the Hotaru picture goes, I say we get rid of the others as well. The only exception I can think of might be ChibiChibi, because the relative age of the actress playing her is interesting. --Masamage ♫ 04:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Development section[edit]

There is a picture in the manga where the glaive wasn't developed yet that's clearly meant to be of Sailor Saturn. Does this count as part of the "development" section?--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 05:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that blotchy star-looking thing in the Materials Collection? I forgot about that. Sure! --Masamage ♫ 05:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Sailor Saturn[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sailor Saturn's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "materials":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 21:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction[edit]

It says on the main page that Sailor Saturn did not live among the other Sailor Soldiers during the time of the Silver Millenium and that her coming had always been prevented by Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto. But then further down in the article it is mentioned that during the time of the Silver Millenium Princess Saturn wore a purple gown and lived in the Titan castle. This is a contradiction that needs to be fixed. JupiterThunder (talk) 08:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, that's a contradiction in the manga itself. T_T It could be stated as such more explicitly, though. --Masamage ♫ 08:49, 28 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

General Clean up[edit]

This article had a lot of POV. Like best, etc. Also it had a lot of OR which I cut out of the article, like, perhaps, maybe, and for Sailor Saturn this is maybe her most important... She's not a living character, so I cut that, I worked on organization and upgraded her development section. I also added places where citations are needed because a lot of this article isn't supported. As the references are now, it won't pass B class classification, so the next sweep after we stabilize this article's contents more should be for that citation sweep.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 17:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it pretty much needs to be rewritten. I'll put it on my to-do list--thanks for making this first run-through. --Masamage ♫ 16:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Hotaru's Mother[edit]

There was a sentence in the article saying that in the anime, Hotaru's mother was only seen in the shadows. That is not correct. I took that out. She says her mother is dead, and if there is any objection, I will be glad to find the episode to back this up. I do not recall the exact episode in S where it is said, but I can easily find out. Just let me know. :) --UsagiEriko (talk) 00:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that was referring to a flashback. --Masamage ♫ 00:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is what it was: "In the anime, she does not have a cybernetic body and is an outcast because of her powers and seizures. Her mother is shown in shadow, but is never given a name like the manga, nor much of a background." --UsagiEriko (talk) 00:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Right. So maybe it could replaced, with a clarification? Like, "Her mother appears in shadow in a flashback, but..." &c? I forget if it's true or not, though. X) --Masamage ♫ 00:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't recall a flashback with her mother at all in the series, but I will double check over the weekend. --UsagiEriko (talk) 00:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
She does appear in a flashback, the episode I believe is where they go on a picnic and then Hotaru remembers her mother. In the manga Hotaru's mother is given a name and an age. (She's older than Hotaru's father.)--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 21:12, 4 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional cyborgs?[edit]

Would you say she belongs in the category Category:Fictional cyborgs? Because she's explicitly referred to as one in the article at least twice. I think she fits. Maximajorian Viridio (talk) 23:53, 22 December 2018 (UTC)vndfnbvjdsbvjkbsdjkflcxbvjldxcbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbnbdnbffhsgvjhadfghadfgcdjhfvmc b vbfvcdbvjhsdfhsdhb[reply] 

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In version of Tokyopop manga in Smile magazine[edit]

An early version of the Tokyopop manga in the printed Smile magazine #6 used "Jenny" in one panel but used "Hotaru" for all others. This was changed for the graphic novel volumes to "Hotaru" for all occasions https://www.sailormoonforum.com/index.php?threads/revisiting-the-tokyopop-manga.32756/page-5 WhisperToMe (talk) 19:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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