Talk:Old Man of Hoy

Comment

The height should really be metric. Charles Matthews 15:35, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)

A picture would be really nice too.

I think the FA details are probably muddled up - according to the Hamish MacInnes guidebook, the 1966 ascent was by Baillie, Patey and Bonington - I think this was televised?; in 1967 Brown and MacNaught-Davis FA'd the South Face Route and Crew and Haston FA'd the SE Arete - both on TV I think. Linuxlad 11:06, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

death and injury of many climbers is this right? I don't doubt that it's dangerous but have many people really been killed climbing it?--JBellis 12:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Where has the information on an imminent collapse been sourced? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.221.139 (talk) 21:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Shouldnt the country it is located in be listed in the introduction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.215.92 (talk) 07:53, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

William Daniell Sketch

Added a link to the sketch with two legs from Fine Arts Museum of SF --Apanagar 16:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Old Man of Hoy/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Madalibi (talk · contribs) 13:41, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I will take care of this review tomorrow. Madalibi (talk) 13:41, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

No need to wait till tomorrow! I only have a few suggestions that should be quick to address.

Prose:

• The Old Man of Hoy is a 449 feet (137 m) sea stack on the island of Hoy, Orkney. It would be nice to specify that Orkney is in Scotland, as most readers of Wikipedia will not be familiar with Orkney. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think "449 feet" should be "449-foot", because it is used as a modifier.

It previously used {{convert}}, so I'll change all the instances where that doesn't look right.

• The northern part of the island, including the Old Man, is an RSPB nature reserve... The "Royal Society for the Protection of Birds" is not well known internationally, so the acronym "RSPB" should be explained long-hand.

Done

• It stands close... The first section should probably start with "The Old Man stands close..."

Done

• Wind are faster...: singular subject with plural verb.

Oops.

• ...a high-energy wave climate...: I'm not sure I understand what a "wave climate" is. Is there another Wikipedia article you could link to that would explain it, or a short explanation you could add?

I've removed the reference to it. There should be an article, because it is a phrase I've seen used, but there isn't at present.

• ...60 metres chasm...: should be "60-metre chasm"?
• Is there a difference between "red sandstone" (with piped link to Old Red Sandstone) and "Old Red Sandstone"? Is there a good reason why one should be capitalized and the other one not?
• Link to headland?

Done.

• 40 metres crack: should be "40-metre crack"?

Template changed.

• In 1992, a 40 metres (130 ft) crack had appeared... Do you mean by 1992? If it was in 1992, there is no reason to use the past perfect.

Changed it back to "by" per the sources.

• The Great Climb: the title of a TV program should be either italicized or presented in quotation marks (not sure what the convention is).

Italicized - looks correct.

• Could you specify who all these people who climbed the Old Man were? Were they adventurers, mountaineers, stunt actors, celebrities, etc.?

I've added that they are mountaineers, but I don't know much more than that, I'm afraid.

• "E1" is the only jargon that is not explained in the article: could you add a little explanatory phrase to help uneducated readers?

Added Extremely Severe in brackets (and that's the easier ascent.)

• What is RAF?

I've removed that - although it worth noting that it's probably been stolen from the British Government.

• Shag is a disambiguation page. Could you specify which page is right?

Fixed.

Otherwise I have no MOS issues. The lead is short but it mentions all the aspects of the topic that are discussed in the rest of the article.

All information is verifiable and the article contains no original research. Even though I don't know anything about this topic, every aspect of the topic that I can think of is covered, and there are no unnecessary digressions. It is also stable, and it satisfies the requirement of neutrality.

Images: everything looks good! Incidentally, it would be nice if you or someone else could upload the painting of the Old Man by William Daniell that is found on the website of the Tate Gallery: http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/daniell-the-old-man-of-hoy-t02864. It's in the public domain, easy to download, and different from all the pictures of the Old Man on Wikicommons.

This is a fine article, written fluidly and without jargon. I will promote to GA as soon as the minor issues I listed above are addressed! Madalibi (talk) 14:37, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

PROMOTED Everything looks good, now. Congratulations, and keep up the good work! Madalibi (talk) 04:03, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Map

Old Man of Hoy

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Old Man of Hoy shown within Scotland

As this is a geographical feature, I thought it may need a map. So I have pulled together this one, but rather than add it directly to the article, thought it would be courteous (it being a new GA etc) to see what people think. Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:26, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

That's very helpful - although we could also use Template:Infobox Scottish island, which allows for an automatic map placement - see e.g. Eday. Ben MacDui 18:06, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I think a map would be useful, and less cluttered than a full infobox. James^x12345 18:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

I must admit I didn't think of an infobox, the map can be moved around within the article - giving a bit more flexibility on location. Jokulhlaup (talk) 18:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

The infobox is reasonably flexible. Its standard practice to include a map and sometimes an image but you can put the map elsewhere if you wish. Ben MacDui 09:01, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Fair point, but I think that as Jamesx12345 is the main contributor, he has the final say on what is used. Jokulhlaup (talk) 18:54, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

An interesting re-interpretation of WP:OWN! Ben MacDui 09:28, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I was about to say something like that :-). I'll just add the map and remove the darker photo in Geography. James^x12345 17:59, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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