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Religious belief?[edit]

Could someone explain when/where/what kind of people believe this or Fact or merely belief, is this related to religion like Christianity? -- Taku 23:13 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

I have no idea about the biblical note, so I had at first left it as it was. I've now rephrased what the note seemed to say (hopefully) more clearly. I am not a student of the bible (or even a Christian), so if someone who knows what they're talking about would elaborate how this conclusion was arrived at and why it's considered significant, that would be great. Mkweise 23:26 Mar 6, 2003 (UTC)

Tea[edit]

The anise plant is also used as a tea in Mexico. It is referred to as hierba anis. It's also used for Syrian tea called Miglee--Blackmage337 (talk) 13:38, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

"Anise or Aniseed, less commonly anís (stressed on the first syllable)"

does the comment in brackets refer to only the last name — why is it accented on the second syllable if stressed on the first? I pronounce both anise and aniseed with a stress on the first syllable. Njál 08:51, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stressing does not necessarily require an accent. In fact, the accent is on the third letter, so anis pronunced "a-nees" or "a-niz" Monkeyspearfish 10:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It also differs from country to country. In the US and the UK it's usually pronounced a-NEES; in Canada it's usually pronounced ANN-iss. I for one never heard it pronounced a-NEES until I saw it used on a British TV show; had I not realized it was a regional pronunciation I would have thought the speaker unbelievably affected and snooty. --68.144.100.111 20:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I live in the U.S. and I have always heard it pronounced as ANN-iss. All the dictionary.com pronunciations say it is ANN-iss or as it reads on their website an-is with the an in bold letters. Maybe the ANN-iss is a North American pronunciation.
UK pronunciation of anise is based in the French, with the stress on the second syllable, though not, of course, exactly as a French speaker would pronounce it. This is because we normally use anise to refer to the liqueur, which is made from the herb in Provence, and which is generally very sweet, unlike pastis. We don't generally use anise for the herb (though I guess a few people might), but rather aniseed, which shifts the stress to the first syllable. Most of us encounter the flavour in spherical pink or purple sweets, which are popular among children. Large, multi-layered aniseed sweets, known as gobstoppers were a mainstay of penny sweet selections in the local shops of forty or fifty years ago, and are still sold in some traditional sweet shops. We always refer to the flavour of these as aniseed. Meanwhile, Indian stores have popularised tiny sugar-coated fennel seeds, sold as "saunf", which have a very similar flavour, and are sometimes confused with aniseed. Sjwells53 (talk) 15:10, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The OED lists only the ANN-iss pronunciation. If that's correct and the spelling pronunciation a-NEES is uncommon and unaccepted, we should list the pronunciation in the lead to help people unfamiliar with an irregular standard form. (It's what I personally use but I'm not sure I've ever heard another person pronounce it aloud. In American English, anything labeled "anise" is pronounced /lɪkəɹɪʃfleɪvəɹd/.)
However, if the spelling pronunciation is common and accepted, Wikipedia is WP:NOTADICTIONARY. Anyone able to read the page will say it one of the two correct ways and we can leave the IPA mess and details to anise's Wiktionary entry. — LlywelynII 02:52, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dogs and anise[edit]

Do dogs have a liking for anise, as I have heard several times? Monkeyspearfish 10:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced Herbalism[edit]

I have removed the content below because it is unsourced and wasn't formatted quite right. If someone can get verified sources, we can put it back.

Main constituents known: The vitamins, the B complex (B1, B2), C, calcium, phosphorus, potassium, sulphur, iron, aromatic essences. Pharmacologic action: carminative, antispasmodic, expectorant, a pancreatic stimulant. Natural treatments and application procedures: The anise fruit infusion:

The infusion is made from half a tea-spoon of mashed anise fruit scalded in 250 ml of boiling water. The tea should be left for 10-15 minutes in order to become an infusion. It should be drunk in fractions: half a mug before a main meal. Caution: the tea must only be kept for a short time before its consuming. As for sucklings, an infusion from 5-6 anise fruit scalded in 250 ml of boiling water is to be made. It treats flatulence and children's colics. The tea for eliminating helminths:

The infusion is made from 10 grams of mashed fruit scalded in 100 ml of boiling water. The tea should be drunk in the morning on an empty stomach. The tea from anise seeds:

The infusion is made from one tea-spoon of anise seeds boiled in 250 ml of water for 30 seconds. One mug of tea is to be drunk after the main meals. This tea treats bronchial asthma, cough, a slow digestion. The decoction from anise roots:

The decoction is made from 30 gr. of broken up roots boiled in one litre of water for 20-30 minutes. One mug of tea is to be drunk after the main meals. This tea treats painful menses.

Star Anise NOT SAME as Anise[edit]

Thusly I removed the last paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.27.7.239 (talk) 11:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Production[edit]

Nor is it the same as Fennel. The chart in the production section of this page was identical to that on Fennel and Badian. If you follow the link cited (http://www.fao.org/es/ess/top/commodity.html?lang=en&item=711&year=2005), you will see that the data is world production of the three completely different crops combined (Anise Pimpinella anisum, Fennel Foeniculum vulgare, and Star Anise Illicium verum). The data is misleading in this context and I removed it. MrPMonday (talk) 21:10, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Information Requests[edit]

Does anyone know the sprouting success rate of anise seeds? LokiClock (talk) 15:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is anise a native species in Southern California, where it is so prevalent in the wild chaparral? 76.238.227.125 (talk) 14:58, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited material in "Uses"[edit]

An anonymous editor has deleted most of this, with some justification, as uncited. I have restored for the time being, to give editors some time to deal with the problem. {{refimprovesect}} added.--Old Moonraker (talk) 07:28, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK. I'll give it a couple of weeks, but after that it's gone. If you disagree please post an RfC rather than leave in the article endlessly. This kind of crap builds up on Wikipedia because it goes unchallenged, resulting in a lot of articles that are ridiculous. I could add "Anise oil is used to treat ingrown toenails" and it would stay there for months or years if someone like me didn't come along and challenge it. 71.77.21.198 (talk) 17:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure you meant to do that? --Old Moonraker (talk) 07:26, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject[edit]

I need help with my essential oil wikiproject please. Wikipedia:WikiProject Essential Oils Ilikeguys21 (talk) 13:07, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Troach[edit]

I recently amended the text in the list of "regional and ethnic confectioneries" that use aniseed from:

British [[aniseed ball]]s,

to:

British [[aniseed ball]]s and "troach" drops<ref name="WSS">{{cite web |title=FWB - Aniseed/Troach Drops (Wrapped) |url=https://www.thewelshsweetshop.com/acatalog/fwb--aniseed-troach-drops-wrapped--266.html |website=www.thewelshsweetshop.com |accessdate=14 August 2018}}</ref>

having noticed that troach was not mentioned on Wikipedia, at all.

I am deeply troubled by the actions of User:Zefr, who has removed this addition, more than once,

The reasons they have given include:

  • "Commercial spam"
  • "WP:BRD"
  • "the source is commercial, and does not comply with WP:SECONDARY"k
  • "the website is clearly commercial"

I invited Zefr, if they truly believed I was guilty of posting "Commercial spam", to report me at the appropriate noticeboard. This they have not done.

I would further point out that:

  • WP:BRD says: "BRD is not an excuse to revert any change more than once." (Zefr gave this as an excuse on their second revert)
  • WP:BRD also says "BRD is not mandatory."
  • there is no prohibition on citing commercial sources (if there were, we would not be able to cite most newspapers, books or academic journals)
  • the source does not fail to comply with WP:SECONDARY
  • WP:BRD says "Before reverting, first consider whether the original text could have been better improved in a different way or if part of the edit can be fixed to preserve some of the edit, and whether you would like to make that bold edit instead. " - there was no need to remove the statement, even if the source was not liked.
  • Zefr has now left the redirect Troach pointing to an article which does not mention that subject.

Not only should the edit be restored, but Zefr should become more familiar with our actual policies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:53, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A Google search for "troach" shows me 102,000 results, many of which are for some variant of an aniseed-flavoured sweet, so the word seems notable and not proprietary. Perhaps one of the following sources maybe more palatable than the one directly from Brays:
I believe these are what I used to buy as "Sela-cough" when I was a runny-nosed youth. I fixed the double redirect, by the way. --RexxS (talk) 15:52, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All those sites listed by RexxS can be interpreted by a common user as advertising, which is what I objected to per WP:NOTADVERTISING. I looked, but couldn't find, an anise recipe book or newspaper article as an independent secondary source discussing troach, so concluded this was not notable and WP:NOTRECIPE. I don't like the entry or source, but you two prefer it, so the issue is concluded unless disputed by others. --Zefr (talk) 16:15, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Zefr: Well, to be frank, "troach sweets" are probably familiar mainly to those of us who were brought up in the Midlands of England, where companies like Sela and Teddy Gray's made them. It's quite understandable that an unfamiliar name can look like a brand name and smack of advertising, so I'm not surprised that your view may differ from mine and Andy's (a Black Country lad and a Brummie). It would be nice to find a source of the kind that you're looking for, but unless we can search the archives of the Birmingham Post or Express and Star from 50 years ago, I doubt we're going to find much more than what that Google search gives us. --RexxS (talk) 22:57, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Zefr here; there needs to be some independent, non-commercial evidence of notability. There are lots of things for which I could add East Anglian dialect names based on my childhood experience and a few Google searches. We don't include every possible regional name by default, otherwise the lists just grow endlessly (and then editors start adding names in other languages). The "to be frank" comment above says it all. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Peter coxhead: I absolutely agree that notability requires independent evidence. However, I absolutely refute the assertion that notability requires non-commercial evidence. You're going to have to quote the policy that disallows sources that are of a commercial nature; it would be a crippling restriction.
Secondly, I should remind you that notability is the criterion for having a stand-alone article; lower standards apply to whether sourced content is included in an article. If there are lots of things for which you could add East Anglian dialect names based on your childhood experience and a few Google searches, then I strongly encourage you to do so. This encyclopedia aims to make available the "sum of all human knowledge" and I can see no reason why the sort of information we're debating shouldn't be included.
In this case, adding another item to a list described as "a wide variety of regional and ethnic confectioneries" is going to be a judgement call. It increases the number of items from 11 to 12; it adds a second British item (although two German items already feature). There is always going to be a tension between being comprehensive and excluding trivia. I can't see how "troach" is any different from Austrian Anisbögen, apart from being sourced and having far more Ghits: 102,000 for troach; 13,600 for Anisbögen. Whatever is assumed to be the inclusion criteria for that list, it seems unlikely to include Anisbögen and exclude troach.
I would agree with your view if troach sweets were merely a brand name of one particular commercial product, like "Cadbury's flake" as opposed to milk chocolate. But troach have been made and sold by multiple manufacturers including Brays, Teddy Gray's and Sela for years. The source used in the article is "www.thewelshsweetshop.com", which shows that the sweet is known in Wales as well as the Midlands. --RexxS (talk) 16:33, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Personally I'd take more out, but I've made my point, so I'll leave it at that. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:09, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to wade in here, but it seems pretty obvious that "Troach Drops" as a medicinal sweet is a regional anglicisation of Troche: A small medicated lozenge designed to dissolve. For example, to soothe the throat as a cough drop. https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=19526 see also wikipedia's own entry for Throat Lozenge "A throat lozenge (also known as a cough drop, troche, cachou, or cough sweet)" I submit then that troach drops should redirect to Throat Lozenge/Cough Drop. For anyone outside the Midlands who has never tried one, they are similar to "Jakemans" (original flavour of course) 151.170.240.200 (talk) 09:21, 13 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

current state of 'Production' paragraph[edit]

The title 'Production' for the mix of informations currently placed under it is pretty weird. Only one (the last) sentence even touches the subject of the paragraph title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:3037:41D:9021:2:2:5F04:93BC (talk) 07:16, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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