Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Eve of St. Agnes

The Eve of St. Agnes

The Eve of St. Agnes was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep.

This just consists of the text of a poem. Deb 13:10, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Move this article into something about the authors Lamia, Isabella &c or delete. --Gtabary 13:14, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep Duuuuuudes! This poem isn't by Lamia, Isabella &c. It's by John Keats! It's one of the most famous poems in the English Language and is constantly anthologised. I'm not sure what the policy is on full transcripts but it's surely out of copyright. The article certainly needs work but I'm sure someone will step forward to fill in the blanks.--Tomheaton 13:59, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. [[User:GRider|GRider\^talk]] 17:04, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Delete. See wikisource:The Eve_of_St. Agnes. --jpgordon{gab} 17:23, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • To clarify, I agree there should be an article by this title, but not this article. If someone wants to replace it with an article about the poem, its authorship and history, that's fine with me. Deb 18:30, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Change to keep, since an article about it could quite well be interesting. --23:57, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Delete, per jpgordon{gab}, unless someone replaces it with a whole new article about the poem prior to expiration of VfD discussion. The poem could certainly merit an article, but this isn't it. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 20:35, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Delete! It's a great poem, but it's not an article. Transwiki to Wikisource. I could probably write an article about the poem, possibly will, but at this point it's misnamed for an article (should be The Eve of St. Agnes (poem) to distinguish from the feast day) and source material. Geogre 20:37, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep now: good rescue, and I appreciate the fact that the rescuers mentioned the importance to the Pre-Raphaelites. That and "The Lady of Shallot" are probably the two most painted poems of the era. Geogre 01:38, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• sigh I despair. What is the criteria for deletion here? It should have been marked cleanup. I've turned it into a stub with a link to the wikisource text. I'm not qualified to write any more and the brief summary is all I can dredge out of my memory. I would recommend taking a break from the sordid business of Votes for Deletion for a moment and read the poem - far more edifying.

--Tomheaton 22:35, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Move. An article should contain info about the poem, not the poem itself. Move poem to Wikisource and add link to article. Wyllium 23:34, 2004 Dec 1 (UTC)
• Keep and expand greatly, as the article no longer contains the entire text of the poem (thanks Tomheaton for making the stub). It is an exceedingly famous, significant and beautiful piece by Keats. Possibly rename according to Geogre's suggestion above. Antandrus 23:39, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Certainly this is worthy of an article, and quite a bit can be said about both the day and the poem, which I think could be mentioned together in one article. Needs expansion, and doesn't the current one-sentence synopsis miss the point entirely? -R. fiend 00:11, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• It's not misnamed (until the feast day gets an article there's no need to disambig). It's also a poem by one of the most famous poets. I don't see how this qualifies as needing deletion. Expansion, sure, but not deletion. Keep. Shane King 00:21, Dec 2, 2004 (UTC)

• • It is misnamed, because the resulting article would not be about the eve of St. Agnes day, but about the poem entitled "The Eve of St. Agnes." Further, the poem is about...well, lots of things. It's one of Keats's more suggestive poems. On its surface, it's about the curse of Lamia, but it's also about love and loss and imagination and, well, tons of stuff. As for the grounds for deletion, this is a very, very, very commonly studied poem. Until there is an actual article on it, there should be no substub holder. The reason is that students who use Wikipedia and find a substub will simply stop using us. Further, all they learn is what they already know -- that it's a poem by Keats. This is not to denigrate Tomheaton's efforts at saving it, but there isn't any point in saving a single line. We can make it a requested article, if needed, but I don't know why we care so much about preserving the edit history of one IP contributor who inappropriately pasted in source text to the Wikipedia. Geogre 00:51, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• Keep. Significant poem by a significant author. I have added some more information about the poem and hopefully other people can flesh out the article as well. As for the naming, I think the name is fine. There is already some information about the rituals in the St Agnes page and I would have thought that was the appropriate place for it. Capitalistroadster 10:02, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • And a very nice job too. Deb 18:16, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Great job! If it does get renamed, please note that this is already linked to from the Keats page. I'm afraid my synopsis was comic. I was just getting the substub up in the hope that someone else could pick up the baton.--Tomheaton 20:07, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep in current form. -- Smerdis of Tlön 19:42, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. Sjc 20:11, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • I rewrote the opening so it's about the eve itself, before seguing into the Keats poem. That way St. Agnes' Eve can redirect without it being a misnomer. It also makes a separate article unecessary, as it probably wouldn't say anything not already mentioned in this article. -65.96.145.242 21:07, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • Oops, that was me, somehow I got logged out there. -R. fiend 21:10, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • Sorry, but I can't agree with the change -- it's needlessly confusing. It confused me when I stumbled over it with the Random Page button. I'm going to change it to

This article is about the poem by John Keats. For information on the saint, see Saint Agnes.

The Eve of St. Agnes is a long poem by John Keats, written in 1819 and published in 1820. It is widely considered to be amongst his finest poems and was widely influential in 19th century literature. The title comes from the day (or evening) before the feast of Saint Agnes (or St. Agnes' Eve). The eve falls on January 20; the feast day on the 21.

• Keep. Intrigue 15:12, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Obvious keep. Gamaliel 05:07, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Keep. It looks like a worthy article (now). — RJH 23:16, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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