Talk:Tom Keating

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Sayeth the article:

After World War Two, he began to restore paintings for a living but mainly worked as a house painter. Despite his attempts, he failed to achieve fame and retaliated by creating forgeries to fool the experts.

I'm a bit confused by this: people don't generally achieve fame by being art restorers or house painters. Was he really trying for fame in this way? --Camembert

explosives[edit]

Just now on 3sat! Austrian TV interviewed an art-restorer. She said that she will not try to restore Keating paintings because he buried explosives under the paint, he was a master chemist. source

Y23 (talk) 12:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sexton Blake[edit]

The term transformed into meaning "rhyming slang". The term is rhyming slang, in which the second element, providing the rhyme, is usually omitted. Like pretty much all specialized language of a closed group, rhyming slang moves from the closed group into general currency. (Pamour (talk) 21:24, 21 October 2016 (UTC)).[reply]

Instead of the tiresome tautologies about what is an extremely familiar subject to speakers of British English; couldn't we simply jump-cut and link to the page on Rhyming Slang?Nuttyskin (talk) 01:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC) Nuttyskin (talk) 01:22, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

wow[edit]

wow like relly WOW AMAZING ART WORK — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jayboo12334 (talk • contribs) 03:45, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Something is not right🤔[edit]

Thomas[1] Patrick Keating[2] (1 March 1917 – 12 February 1984) 2A00:23EE:1248:BA41:D0AD:A11D:94A8:4A5B (talk) 09:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What seems not to be right? Candide1993 (talk) 04:06, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References[edit]

The "Revealing the forger" section ends with the following 26 references, apparently used to support just two sentences: "Norman’s series of nine articles on Keating garnered her the British Press Awards News Reporter of the Year for 1976. The ensuing investigation and build up to trial was extensively covered in the London press and around the world." [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26]

Are these all really necessary there? There also seems to be some overlap/ duplication across these sources. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

User:Candide1993 could you possibly comment on this? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:16, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Martinevans123,
They’re not strictly necessary, of course; and admittedly, I’ve never seen this long a string of citations before. I wanted to try it, to see if it worked or not, because I do think it is of interest that an obscure art fraud story received the attention that it did. In lieu of cluttering up the page with excerpts from more news articles, I thought perhaps allowing readers to simply tap through the headlines might be helpful without being burdensome. Most of them are single use new citations I just posted. I reused one from The Sydney Herald to substantiate the international reach of the coverage. The other duplicate, citation number five, is clearly not necessary; I just deleted it. Do you find my ‘tap through the headlines’ idea somewhat compelling? Or not at all? What would you suggest as a reasonable number of citations in this particular circumstance?
Kind regards,
Candide1993 Candide1993 (talk) 15:18, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just went through them again and found a few more that were clearly unnecessary. The ‘hop through the headlines’ string has been reduced from 26 to 19.
What say you? Candide1993 (talk) 15:36, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi User:Candide1993. Many thanks for explaining your rationale. In line with the referencing across the rest of the article, I'd expect those two sentences to be supported by one or two good sources. I suspect most, if not all, readers will never hop through anything. They'll just wonder, like me, why there are 19 separate sources at the end of that one paragraph. I've not been through each one (even the headlines, sorry), and I expect they're probably not "wrong", but they appear to me to be just clutter. Happy to see a second opinion from someone. But many thanks for all your other efforts to improve the article. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:05, 31 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi User:Martinevans123,
Okay, as soon as I get a chance, most likely tomorrow, I’ll add a representative sample of headlines to the body of the text, and get rid of most of the citations. Once that’s done, I do believe I’ll be finished with this page. My only other thought was to add a couple of more images, but I can’t remember how to do that.
Candide1993 Candide1993 (talk) 00:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi User:Martinevans123,
I got rid of the string of 26 citations and added a bunch of interesting headlines (with citations) instead. What do you think of it now?
Candide1993 (talk) 06:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now we can see what some of those sources support. But I think there may be just too many headlines. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I removed 7 citations, and pruned the surrounding text (subtracted 2021 characters).
All good? Candide1993 (talk) 17:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's a big improvement. But I'd be very grateful to see the opinions of any other editors. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]


References

  1. ^ Charleston, Michael (11 August 1976). "Art storm as Tom takes a moped trip". Daily Express. p. 3.
  2. ^ McCormick, John (20 August 1976). "I FAKED THE LOT!". Daily Express. p. 1.
  3. ^ Coolican, Don; Rydon, John (28 August 1976). "The Laughing Cavalier: With apologies to nobody, the master faker takes a public bow". Daily Express. pp. 1, 3.
  4. ^ Rydon, John (21 June 1977). "Portrait of the artist as a fake". Daily Express. p. 10.
  5. ^ Staff Reporter (20 August 1976). "Mr. Keating says art imitations are protest". The Times. p. 1.
  6. ^ Parker, Robert (25 August 1976). "Tests show museum's Palmer is an imitation". The Times. p. 1.
  7. ^ Parker, Robert (28 August 1976). "Mr. Keating offers to aid inquiry". The Times. p. 1.
  8. ^ Parker, John (3 September 1976). "Dealer urges complaints on Keating imitations". The Times. p. 4.
  9. ^ Staff Reporter (8 September 1976). "Detectives looking for artist". The Times. p. 2.
  10. ^ Staff Reporter (9 September 1976). "Mr. Keating visits Scotland Yard". The Times. p. 6.
  11. ^ Parker, Robert (16 September 1976). "Museum confirms tests show 'Palmer' is fake". The Times. p. 2.
  12. ^ Parker, Robert (2 October 1976). "Mr. Keating identifies 28 paintings as his own work". The Times. p. 1.
  13. ^ Parker, Robert (1 February 1977). "Krieghoff paintings 'genuine'". The Times. p. 3.
  14. ^ Tendler, Stewart (23 June 1977). "Possibility of arrest fails to quell Mr. Keating". The Times. p. 2.
  15. ^ Staff Reporter (22 September 1977). "Arrest warrant for woman in Keating case". The Times. p. 4.
  16. ^ Staff Reporter (12 November 1977). "Extradition warrant issued". The Times. p. 3.
  17. ^ Reuters News Agency and The Associated Press (21 August 1976). "Fakes fooled experts". The Globe and Mail. p. 11.
  18. ^ Plommer, Leslie; Kritzwiser, Kay (18 September 1976). "Now Keating lays claim to 100 Krieghoffs". The Globe and Mail. pp. 1, 31.
  19. ^ Yaffe, Barbara (17 January 1977). "Krieghoff Imitator spots none of his fakes at art gallery". The Globe and Mail. p. 5.
  20. ^ Staff Reporter (6 February 1978). "Women may be sent to Britain for art trial". The Globe and Mail. p. 2.
  21. ^ Associated Press (21 August 1976). "Arch art faker fooled experts". The Toronto Star. p. 1.
  22. ^ Corner, Virginia (8 March 1978). "Art restorer faces extradition in fraud". The Toronto Star. pp. A24.
  23. ^ Staff Reporter (4 May 1978). "Woman agrees to face art fraud charge in U.K.". The Toronto Star. pp. A20.
  24. ^ Staff Reporter (13 September 1976). "Art: Palming Off the Palmers". TIME MAGAZINE. Retrieved 28 December 2023.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  25. ^ Schroeder, Andreas (4 April 1977). "Tom Keating's life is imitating art". Maclean's – CANADA'S NEWSMAGAZINE. pp. 1, 36–41.
  26. ^ Staff Reporter (20 August 1976). "London painter and restorer admits flooding art market with forgeries". The New York Times.
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