Talk:White pride

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Q1: Why doesn't this page look like black pride, gay pride, or Asian pride?
A1: Wikipedia reflects how reliable sources treat topics and sometimes two semantically similar topics are treated very differently by sources. For example, compare misogyny to misandry. Most reliable sources treat the topic white pride as being most notable as a slogan used by white supremacists whereas sources indicate the other terms are used mostly to describe coherent social movements.
Q2: Why don't we make the article about "white pride" as a concept or a movement like black pride, gay pride, or Asian pride?
A2: The subjects of Wikipedia articles must be notable, which is determined by coverage from reliable, independent sources. The reliable sources found for this topic indicate that white pride is a substantively different concept from the others mentioned. The majority of sources discuss the slogan "white pride" and its use by various groups as being the most prominent use of the idea. If a coherent "white pride" movement separate from white supremacy, white separatism, or white nationalism actually exists, it is not documented in reliable sources.
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White pride[edit]

Why is the definition of "white pride" so different than any other pride available? Every other pride is celebrated and made proud of with dignity and honor. However, if you're proud to be white, like some are proud to have black pride, gay pride, LGBTQ pride, Trans pride, black history month, and everything that separates us. Why is it not ok to be proud you're white when everyone but white is celebrated? Are only whites racist? I think not! You are blaming one race for all of society's issues. No white person should ever have to be ashamed they are having " white pride" just as no POC should be ashamed of black pride. It's the labels such as you did to teach generations behind us, that this is wrong and how it is supposed to be is segregated. Why? Have you ever seen a bunch of kids from all colors under the rainbow play together and not have one issue until the parents walk up or get involved? Racism is taught by books, media, Wikipedia, Google searches, etc. But as a multicultural person, this definition is wrong and needs defined in the correct way. Every other " pride" is exactly that- " pride". Why does the " white pride" definition have to differ? Are you racist? Are you segregating " white" people from their culture and their heritage? Are white people all racist and white nationalist? You have all white pride listed as Neo- Nazi. Are you even fricken kidding me at this point. Is this what we teach our kids to look up? Don't touch that white kid, they're Neo- Nazi pride. Look it up! It says so under " white pride! How sad a society blames " white pride" on being something it is not. Your definition needs fixed, redefined or all prides need to be along the same lines. Your definition segregated white pride. It's amazing the world I see, is full of beautiful colors God put here for ALL of us to be the same. We all are Americans, we bleed the same and love the same. Therfore, categorize us the same instead of how bad the " white pride" is to everyone. Society struggles with racism and doesn't need anymore confusion from Wikipedia. You're here to help not to divide. Be a tool ALL can learn from. The majority of people I know just wants peace for all. Segregation gets us nowhere. We all are loved and need to understand all. Stop labeling something that is not 100% accurate. The media does enough to discourage hating on each other. I hope you can see all people deserve to be proud of who they are, where they come from, and how their culture adds to our beautiful world. Every culture fits so well together. Please stop putting definitions that are not true. Are there bad white groups? Yes, but you're saying the wrong definition for "white pride". Princess Ice 6313 (talk) 14:54, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

See the FAQ. References are clear about the racist nature of the term. FDW777 (talk) 14:55, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Then all "prides" need redefined. This isn't true of white pride. This is a lie. " White" pride is NOT a racist ideology. It's what you are thinking. I'm not, nor will I teach that to others as an educational foundation. Princess Ice 6313 (talk) 15:14, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

No, all "prides" don't need to be redefined. Per the FAQ, white pride differs from the rest and is of a racist nature. FDW777 (talk) 16:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
No it is not, "white pride" is the exact same thing as black/asian/whatever pride. By your logic if some racist "black supremacist" group used the "black pride" slogan, then that means that "black pride" is racist. But because Wikipedia simply can't get out of its little echo chamber that wouldn't happen anyway. Swirl0 (talk) 18:06, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Read the FAQ. Acroterion (talk) 16:07, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
I would like to read the FAQ to understand this as I think the page is highly inaccurate. However so far I have found nothing in the FAQ.
Could anyone perhaps offer a specific section that this would be found?
It seems to me that white pride should be separate from white supremacy Jial2000 (talk) 04:43, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
The FAQ is on this page, above. It's the second box from the top of the page, the one that's titled "Frequently asked questions (FAQ)". Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:03, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
The simple answer to that is that Wikipedia is biased to favour the media's opinion on things. The media considers White Pride as a phrase used by white nationalists, white separatists, et cetera. Whereas, the media considers <Race> Pride as a phrase used by more, how do I say this, moral people. If any "reliable" media were to show white pride as similar to any other pride felt by the other races, then the article would be rewritten. One of the few things where Wikipedia is dumb. --Galahad1822 (talk) 00:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2021[edit]

White pride is a movement that encourages white people to celebrate white culture and embrace their European heritage. MCNational (talk) 23:53, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Not done Please see the FAQ above. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:24, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2021[edit]

2600:387:6:80F:0:0:0:5C (talk) 22:13, 18 November 2021 (UTC) white pride , is having pride in your race , and heritage
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EvergreenFir (talk) 22:24, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect information[edit]

While White Supremacists may use this as a slogan, this is a misinterpretation. I don't see the Black Pride page talking about Black supremacists. White pride is simply pride for white culture, race, and our ancestors. This page should be similar to that of the Asian Pride and Black Pride pages. I don't see Arab Pride marked by 9/11 l. Please reconsider the racism in this article. Kameraad Elmo (talk) 22:38, 30 November 2021 (UTC)