Talk:Carl Friedrich Heinrich, Graf von Wylich und Lottum

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Which Halle?[edit]

There are 2 Halle's in Germany. Which one is referred to? WouterVH 20:16, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

AFAI could find out, there never was a garrison in Halle/Westfalen. I assume it must be Halle/Saale. -- Ravn 09:31, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Prime Minister of Prussia??[edit]

Our Prime Minister of Prussia says that he was PM for 18 years (!), but this articles indicates nothing of the sort. Could anyone sort this out? john k 12:07, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just happened to notice this independently myself :) I googled a bit, and it seems that most of online information about him is in German... searched Google Books too. For example, the Deutsche Biographie article says he was a Staatsminister, but the Minister of State article omits Prussia from the list of former German states where it was synonymous with the head of government. My German isn't good enough to be able to state with absolute certainty what exactly transpired in 1823 - but it sounds like the King had no replacement for Hardenberg who had died in November 1822, and then promoted von Wylich to the position. It is quite curious that little else is written about the position between 1823 and 1840, when the King died. He's also not mentioned at all at our Frederick William III of Prussia article. It sounds like it was more of a ceremonial position, at least in comparison to Hardenberg or Bismarck. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 10:24, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The linked article states that he wasn't Prime Minister (or "Staatskanzler", an earlier similar office). Instead he served as primary contact between the cabinet (State Council) and the King, reporting about general political issues from various areas to the monarch. Within the cabinet his position was more like a representative primus inter pares, not a formally ranked office. The original office itself could be seen as vacant during this time (per de:Staatskanzler (Preußen), the deutsche-biographie.de source supports this view). So it's probably not completely wrong to list him in Prime Minister of Prussia, just misleading - the entry really needs an explanatory footnote to clarify his special less-influential status. Maybe this helps a bit, and a native English speaker can rephrase this tidbits into proper English for the list. GermanJoe (talk) 13:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PS. Entries for Otto Carl Friedrich von Voss and Ludwig Gustav von Thile in the same list are possibly also not completely accurate, and may need similar research and clarification by more knowledgeable editors. GermanJoe (talk) 13:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good, thanks. So it looks like the intro and the list format of Prime Minister of Prussia needs to be changed to clarify all this, because clearly there's an established difference between Ministerpräsident, Staatsminister and Staatskanzler. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:49, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]