Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Napoleon Gambit

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The result of the debate was redirect to Scotch Game. —Korath (Talk) 01:42, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

Napoleon Gambit

I have never heard of the Napoleon Gambit. The variation given is not a gambit since nothing is being sacrificed (except the queen, 3.Qxf7+?? is not mate). The author is probably confusing this with the Napoleon Opening, which is 1.e4 e5 2.Qf3, but I see no useful content in this article worth merging anywhere, and since the Napoleon is not a gambit I cannot see the title being useful either. Sjakkalle 09:16, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Why not rename to Napoleon opening or Napoleon variation? -- Mgm|^(talk) 10:22, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

We could if the content was any good, but everything in the article is wrong.

1. The opening is bad, it does not "enable the player to achieve checkmate in three moves".
2. The moves are not given in algebraic notation and I am at a loss as to what "xxx" means.
3. Can be averted by protecting h5 with a knight? Since "b*F7" (I think he means Qxf7) is not mate there is no need to.

My nomination is because the article is far too poor to be included at this point. Sjakkalle 10:39, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I might also mention that the Napoleon Opening is extremely rare, like the Hippopotamus Defence which is also on vfd. That article was at least written properly. Sjakkalle 10:57, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• I believe consensus for Hippo Def leans towards keeping it? So Napoleon Opening would presumably be equally valid. I'd suggest deleting this and changing it to a redirect to the latter. Radiant_* 11:12, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC) since Sjakalle knows a lot more about chess than I do, redirect as per his suggestion below. Radiant_* 14:02, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

I have created an article for the Napoleon Opening, mostly so that nobody falls for the temptation to move this article there. Since the Napoleon is not a gambit, I cannot support redirecting "Napoleon Gambit" to "Napoleon Opening". My vote remains delete. Sjakkalle 11:45, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• Some google hits suggest that there actually is a Napoleon Gambit, which is a version of the Scotch Game. I suggest to redirect there. Martg76 13:06, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well spotted Martg76, it is 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 Nxd4 4.Nxd4 exd4 5.Bc4. I stand corrected and change my vote from delete to redirect to Scotch Game. Sjakkalle 13:17, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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