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Needing a citation for the origins of the Tamil population[edit]

I'm curious. If people need a citation that the French brought Tamils from Pondicherry, then where ELSE would the French have drawn their labourers from, if not their own enclaves of South India...? They certainly didn't arrive from Mars Theudariks 2.0 (talk) 18:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't even a source to verify that they brought in indentured servants at all—there may be no reason to doubt it, but it isn't exactly a self-evident truth. Further, there is no rule that indentured servants must be Tamil, or from Pondicherry. There is no rule that they have to have come from a territory that France controlled; even if there were such a rule, Pondicherry was far from the only French possession. But indentured servants can be from anywhere, of any ethnicity and religion. A white, French, Christian plantation owner could have white, French, Christian indentured servants. So nothing in the sentence is an axiom. Somebody requested a source, and there's nothing unusual about that. There's no less reason to have a citation for this than there is to have any citation anywhere on Wikipedia. Largoplazo (talk) 20:37, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't about GENERAL indentured servitude. This is about the Indian indenture system, which was incredibly specific in ruling out anyone who's not Indian. The people of Indo-Guadeloupean descent are part of the larger Pondichérien diaspora

Pondicherry is mentioned here: [1], here: [2], here: [3], and here: [4] amongst others. They were definitely Indian. I'd recommend two books which delve into the Indian indenture system (my history), as well as the Indian diaspora in general. The Encyclopedia of the Indian Diaspora by Brij V Lal. Although we can't cite a full work here, a search on Google Books shows that Guadeloupe is mentioned, for example here: [5]. The second is a book called Global Indian Diaspora by Jagat K. Motwani, Mahin Gosine, Jyoti Barot-Motwani. Guadeloupe is mentioned here, too: [6]

The Indian indenture system was put into place at the end of slavery (citation needed?), and has brought the ancestors of millions of Indian descent to places all over the world, and was a system in and of itself and has no bearing on general servitude Theudariks 2.0 (talk) 04:39, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the The Hindu article as a source, as it seems reliable. CMD (talk) 06:07, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're under the impression that all of these details are obvious and universally known, so thoroughly so that it was wrong to request a citation? Largoplazo (talk) 11:08, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm under the impression that people who add to Wikipedia should understand the subject they're weighing in on. Especially as further down that very page CLEARLY states that there are Indians in Guadeloupe, and links to a page about Indians in Guadeloupe. And that the Indian indentured system didn't include white Europeans or others who weren't the subject of debate. It's like going to a page about football and asking for a citation on a game you've never watched because you're a rugby fan and know nothing about football Theudariks 2.0 (talk) 15:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia caters for all readers, be they football watchers or rugby fans, and provides citations so that these readers can see where information about each sport comes from. CMD (talk) 16:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:V. "Reader, trust the writer" isn't the approach here. Also, readers don't read articles in reverse order, and often don't read the entirety of an article, especially long ones, nor are they expected to. Largoplazo (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps not. But readers don't GENERALLY make incorrect statements without first having read up on the country they're commenting on! It's perfectly ok to not read a full article. But it's wrong to say that no evidence of X or Y exist if you've not actually read through the article and seen that they are in fact referenced further down Theudariks 2.0 (talk) 21:33, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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