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Notable people from Kirkuk[edit]

The famous Iraqi-Arab poet Fadhi Al Azzawi grew up in Kirkuk.TheThirdBillyGoatGruff (talk) 22:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are many other Arab and Assyrian poets who born in Kirkuk.

I agree with you.Many other famous people from non-Kurdish ethnic background appear to be denied by biased authors of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.222.204.185 (talk) 00:27, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Iraqi Turks' city[edit]

Wikipedia shouldn't be a place for political lies. This aricle is not objective when mentioning Iraqi Turks and their influence. There are at LEAST 2 million Iraqi Turks living in Kirkuk, and historically Kirkuk is no Kurdish city. see: http://kirkuk.us --Bunifa88 (talk) 00:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Agreeing after comparing different resources. --Berkaysnklf (talk) 21:25, 16 March, 2015 (UTC)
Are you kidding ? Turkmens are not natives in Iraq. Turkmens are come from central Asia to Iraq. Selocan49 (talk) 12:45, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What a smart idea, Selocan! Could you please elucidate us how long we should live in a place to be considered as its native? Are Kurds who were bone in Istanbul not native of Istanbul then? I agree with the top comment with a concern: cities, states, don't have ethnicity or religion, but the people.However, this modern fact isn't given a space by so-called Kurdish intellectuals of the Middle East. Eventually, the top comment is about denial of the Iraqi Turks. Simply no one can underestimate or reverse a fact because of their political whims. I agree with Bunifa88, the partisan (or biased) approach in promoting Kurdish existence of Kirkuk can be validated by checking the famous people from Kirkuk list. This should be changed and I will do so very soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.222.204.185 (talk) 00:12, 5 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't even 2 m people in Kirkuk let alone 2 m Iraqi Turks. Jim Michael (talk) 13:22, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Recent edits[edit]

This article has been getting a number of edits recently. Newcomers should look at Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers and the Wikipedia:Manual of Style. We welcome new contributors, and hope they will take some time to familiarize themselves with our work to build an encyclopedia join us. One of our important policies is Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, often called "NPOV" for short. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 17:54, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

TO ALL READERS All information in Wikipedia fabricated and does not worth to read .I think they get money from Kurdish group to change the facts.

Fake information about Kirkuk , wikipedia owners are kurds.

Robert Merkel how much you got paid by Kurds you look like a good puppy of kurds.

Mr merkel i am very sorry, for this turkmens insulting remarks but then what can you expect from a descendent of the savage holako (a illegitiamte grandson of genghis khans)

Category: Assyria[edit]

I would like to know why the category Assyria is allowed while category Kurdistan is being removed? Is there exact boundaries for Assyria? As far as I remember that's the main reason given for removing the Kurdistan category. Heja Helweda 22:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kirkuk was founded as a city by ancient Assyrians, therefore its fitting that Category:Assyria is there (you will notice that Category:Assyrians, the category that deals with the modern-day Assyrians, is not present). Kurdistan, however, has vaguely defined borders, so that's why the Kurdistan category is (was) being removed. I've replaced the Kurdistan category for the reason I just stated with Category:Kurds as there is a sizeable Kurdish population in Kirkuk. --3345345335534 15:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Hi, As far as I know Britannica is a very neutral source, It clearly states that Kirkuk is in Kurdistan. [1], [2]. So the category includes this article.Diyako Talk + 22:51, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just to sort things out here. Britannica doesn´t state that Kirkuk lies within Kurdistan geografical region. It states that Kirkuk lies NEAR the foot of the Zagros Mountins which lies within Kurdistan. No where does it say that Kirkuk is within Kurdistan.

And wheter it do or not, it´s not up to Britannica to determine the statues of Kirkuk.

In all fairness, Kirkuk can technically also be defined as being in an ancient area called Assyria, Mesopotamia (which is better defined as the area in and around the Tigris and Euphrates), and the Fertile Crescent. I may be forgetting some more "regions," but the point I'm trying to make is that they often overlap or compose parts of each other. Why Kurdistan has special preference in the first sentence over all the other, more ancient names, I don't know. I would like to see that changed. --3345345335534 00:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge?[edit]

I'm suggesting that Arrapha be merged into this article. Any thoughts? --3345345335534 15:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --3345345335534 00:55, 28 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]


POV pushing[edit]

Hi, this article from AP, page two, last parapgrapg states: The last ethnic-breakdown census in Iraq was conducted in 1957, well before Saddam began his program to move Arabs to Kirkuk. That count showed 178,000 Kurds, 48,000 Turkomen, 43,000 Arabs and 10,000 Assyrian-Chaldean Christians living in the city. [3]. This is in contrast with the claims in your article. Thanks.

Hi, in reference to the two remarks mentioned above, thank you for your input, although some mistakes should be pointed out. In the first remark, the gentleman stated that Turkomen and Arabs took over housing through the "Arabization" program of the Baath regime. In fact, it was only the Arabs (mostly shiite from the south) who were brought into Kirkuk. Kurds, Turkomens and Assyrian-Chaldeans were forcibly removed. In reference to the second remark, the population figures are correct, although they are for Kirkuk Province (renamed Tamim by the Baath regime) and not for Kirkuk town, which is the city under debate. The 1957 census figures showed that the "city" of Kirkuk was made up of 28.2% Turkomens, 48.2% Kurds, 24% Arabs. Thanks.139.184.30.19 01:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

kirkuk is turkmencity

Dear sirs if the kirkuk is not kurdish city. why all the lands was confiscated by former regim belong to Turkmes not to Kurks?.

zaynal - kirkuk

Sister City?[edit]

I noticed Dallas Texas was listed as a sister city to Kirkuk, why is that?

Because they're both awful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.49.142.21 (talk) 22:33, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

68.183.67.83 21:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)Tia[reply]

Turkish Invasion Threat?[edit]

While it wouldn't surprise me that Turkey doesn't care about the Sovereignty of Iraq to the point of invading over Kirkuk, it does need a reliable source since it's such a volatile and controversial claim.

-IkonicDeath

Reliable reference on the Turkmen Nature of Kerkuk City[edit]

www.turkmen.nl/1A_soitm/Turkmen-Nature-of-Kerkuk.doc

This article is full of unreliable asertion[edit]

the historical section of this article is full of bogus nationalist psuedo history and should be rewritten using reliable sources —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.243.32 (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I agree. Wikipedia is not the place for the kind of editorializing which seems to be happening on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.111.29.2 (talk) 19:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slander against Turks and Arabs[edit]

This article was obviously recently edited by a pro-kurdish editor. There are many pieces of uncited sentences of Turkmens helping the Iraqi Military force Kurds out. It also says 'Kirkuk is a historically Kurdish City'. No it is not, I request a moderator remove all remarks that may cause anger among the Arabs and Turkmens because they are uncited works.

Thankyou.

-Erol —Preceding unsigned comment added by BabaGurGur (talk • contribs) 04:06, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence you incorrectly quoted, actually says, "Historically, the city has always been considered by Kurds* and Turkmen as a cultural capital." Which, the Kurdish part, is referenced by this source, *Claims in conflict: reversing ethnic cleansing in northern Iraq, Human Rights Watch (Organization), Aug. 2004, Vol.16, 54. and contains a link to read said source. So your accusation that this is an uncited work is false. --Kansas Bear (talk) 04:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Bickering[edit]

It seems that there is a lot of ethnic bickering and we have the content of the article being changed without references to back it up. Some edits big up the Kurds and do down the Turkmen and some big up the Turkmen and do down the Kurds.

I would like to remind editors that ethnically motivated propaganda is not welcome here. Unsourced changes are not helpful. In particular "ethnically cleansing" one group from the "notable people" list can not be tolerated. We need a text that is accurate, neutral and well referenced. Personally, I feel that any propaganda of the type that goes like "My dead grandfather was here before your dead grandfather" is pathetic and that no dispute was ever settled while people stuck to such a primitive line of argument,

I intend to revert to an older version and then merge in some good content from recent versions andd remove anything that seems inappropriate. I am not an expert on the subject so I may not do a perfect job but I would like us to work from that. I will include all people with articles on the notable people list irrespective of which group they are from but no red links. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:44, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't agree more. I think that since the article is dealing with a very sensitive issue unsourced statements shouldn't be tolerated. I will read the article and remove what I see as nationalist POV pushing.--Rafy talk 21:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's ordinary and natural that all of them claim the right for Kirkuk, which is a historical and cultural city with a diversity of four ethnic groups. We should observe the article from a neutral point of view as the outsiders. Gabriel Stijena (talk) 05:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Its littered with pure propaganda. "Arab Occupation"...from the 7th Century? I simply changed the title to 'Conquest' and haven't touched the rest, but its amazing how many problems this page has. Can someone put a POV issue with it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.182.90 (talk) 04:05, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well you should read the rest otherwise you can't through judgements like that. Beside that sub-title is there any other POV in your opinion.--Kathovo talk 10:52, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kirkuk Is Iraqi city with Turkmen Majorty[edit]

Kurds are not majorty in Kirkuk also Kirkuk is not in Kurdish region .

no thats not true if it is why do the turkmens own only 2 seats out of twelve seats in the last elections also kirkuk is now under peshmerga control — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anas Dler (talk • contribs) 21:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes - it's not Kurdish region. Absolutely right. --PumbaPumbata (talk) 20:20, 6 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have written the name in kurdish turkish arabic please dont change it anymore[edit]

wikipedia isnt for politics it is for knowledge so enogh of this nationality — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anas Dler (talk • contribs) 20:31, 6 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anas Dler! I removed the names is Turkish and Syriac before I checked the talk page. I should have checked the talkpage first. I removed the name because even though Kirkuk is an ethnically diverse city it's still part of Iraq. The official languages of Iraq are Kurdish and Arabic which I think are the only ones that should be listed. Erbil for example has a sizeable Syriac/Christian minority but we don't list Erbil in those languages ~ Zirguezi 22:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]


I'm a Kurd Firstly Kirkuk isn't a part of Iraq anymore it's part of the Kurdistan regional gov. And Turkish is listed as a recognized language by the constitution of Iraq. Also Turks ain't a minority in Kirkuk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anas Dler (talk • contribs) 15:12, 17 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Prrovince? Govornorate?[edit]

This edit caught my eye, and I noticed that the only instances in the article of the word "Province" are in the Kurdish people section and that the lead uses the term "Govornorate". Somebody needs to de-confuse this. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:26, 3 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kirkuk and Kirkuk province[edit]

Kurds majority in Kirkuk center. But Arabs is majority in Kirkuk Province . These two things are not the same thing. Arabs are only of majority in their Hawija district of Kirkuk province. Hawija is largest district of Kirkuk With a population of 500,000 Arabs. Bruskom (talk) 06:41, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

¨Please provde sources♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 18:00, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Occupation[edit]

We are still treating Kirkuk as part of Iraq. if we want to change this and claim the city is autonomous ather than occupied we need reliable sources which meet our WP:RS and WP:V policies. My opinion is neutral bu we should be well sourced and consistent with other articles, such as Iraq. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 18:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I restored article with last version. But lately was removed by another two user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sedej (talk • contribs) 19:45, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Language order[edit]

I've switched the order and put Arabic first, as it's the national language of Iraq. Kurdish had been the first one listed, but the city is not majority Kurdish, is not part of the Kurdish autonomous region, and is no longer under the occupation of Kurdish militia, so there's no reason for Kurdish to be listed first. -2003:CA:83E4:D600:994A:5894:CBED:8600 (talk) 22:49, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, but IP users consistently vandalize the page. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keeping the four languages[edit]

Kirkuk's name is included in the four languages present in the city itself on so many signs in Kirkuk - including the council logo[1] which people can find easily. I think we should keep the name in Arabic, Kurdish, Turkish and Syriac as it is now. There has been some disruptive removals of Kirkuk's name in Syriac.

Best regards Ashurpedia (talk) 01:07, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/82604428-e4cf-4c0f-af2f-c9497306fcf6

Adding "Disputed territories" in infobox[edit]

In the infobox, the country category should be Iraq. It's fine with me to add "Disputed territories" in the body of the article but not in the infobox. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 18:26, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pending adjustment[edit]

Please give adequate justification for the write-off here. Torivar (talk) 12:34, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adjustments according to the point of view[edit]

MasgoufMaster, Must explain the frequent write-offs here. Torivar (talk) 17:31, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 11 June 2021[edit]

please revert the edit by the last user, who removed sourced information as an act of blatant vandalism. 2A04:4A43:4A7F:AA91:59B3:BC2E:DEE6:4C8 (talk) 16:03, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. The current version is the consensus version. General Ization Talk 16:27, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Page protection from this anonymous user[edit]

This anonymous use keeps removing my edits and claims that Erfurt university isn't a reliable source and it's a pov. Can someone stop him. Xani LapZerin (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits as a whole are clearly POV (pro-Kurdish, anti-Turkic) and written in poor English, and almost completely based off one non-RS source. This was stated clearly when I restored the previous versions. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Xani LapZerin, the IP editor has a point. Drmies (talk) 17:00, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't, I just edited according to the source and no Erfurt university is a reliable source. Xani LapZerin (talk) 17:11, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits are clearly POV, 'I don't' is no justification. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 17:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And yet you blame me for bad English lol, yet again this Erfurt university is not a POV, it's an academic source. If you have any newer academic sources I'll be grateful. Xani LapZerin (talk) 17:23, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies what point exactly? I just edited according what the source says (an academic source) yet he keeps editing without any justification or any evidence against Erfurt university. On the other hand he keeps saying the same thing "pov" and "a non-Rs". Xani LapZerin (talk) 17:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Xani LapZerin, you are rightfully blocked now, but this is worth clarifying. Your statement is deceptive: that source is not "from" the University of Erfurt--it is a dissertation written by a PhD candidate at that university. I suppose the defense was successful, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it is not (automatically) a reliable source in the sense of WP:RS--see the section WP:SCHOLARSHIP. You certainly do not have enough ground to be excused for edit warring. Drmies (talk) 22:21, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Drmies, since this dissertation source is not reliable, should it also be removed from other articles where it is used? It's quite a problematic source as even its author seems to be POV and racially motivated. Regards. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 23:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, sure, maybe--but not so fast. Read the policy I linked: whether a diss can be used or not depends on circumstances, and may require some evaluation. If you can do that (in more words, and with more arguments than "it's problematic"), then we can do that. Drmies (talk) 01:03, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Drmies Other users (El C) are reinstating this disruptive content by the blocked user and have locked the page. We should gather consensus to have this reverted back to the stable version. Regards. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 12:39, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:El C is doing what they think is right. Drmies (talk) 14:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
El C, I restored the version you protected; I hope you don't mind. Let me explain why. First, I'm not convinced by all of the IP's claims, but there's something to it. The dissertation might be acceptable, but that's a matter for discussion. I'm not going to quibble with a researched dissertation talking about etymology, but the "After the Islamic Conquests" section, for starters, is not so simple, with its claims of "they were here first". Second, that one dissertation, used as the most important source, has also replaced a number of earlier references--sometimes, perhaps out of sheer ineptitude, because the editor left the "ref name" tag but usurped the citation, thus removing the original one. So there's problems, and the editor will have to argue for the appropriateness of the dissertation first. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Drmies. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 14:30, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I saw them remove the content with an edit summary that read: Reverted unsourced POV edits (diff), which is clearly false, since they also removed sources which were (were) added. I now see that in the course of them edit warring, they softened that stance to poorly-sourced or whatever. Okay. I have no opinion or knowledge about that, but the AE protection (AEL diff) was broader than this one dispute, in any case (as can be seen in the page log and my past actions therein). El_C 15:08, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drmies there's a reason that edits by Xani LapZerin like Special:Diff/1082208542 are bad. They're copied verbatim from the source, which itself is written in imperfect English. The two sentences in that diff, for example, have had their first words "Later" and "Alternatively" chopped off, which is why they do not begin with a capital letter. Special:Diff/1082204807 likewise copies two other parts of the source word for word. This isn't Xani LapZerin doing the work of writing at all. The dissertation is amply footnoted with its own sources, which I for one would be investigating if I were writing on this topic; but that's actually orthogonal to the problem with this content which is that it is downright plagiarism. Uncle G (talk) 14:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks Uncle--I hadn't looked for that yet, since I was too busy trying to figure out what they had been doing with the ref name tags. Still haven't had enough coffee. Can you revdelete as appropriate, please? Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:59, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The user in question (Xani Lapzerin), having plagiarised and been banned from editing, seems to be a clear troll using the phrase 'Sweet Home Alabama' on his talk page. 77.96.159.195 (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • I suggest getting back to the article. Neither blocking nor deleting plagiarism should be read as an endorsement of whether or not the article can be expanded. Do not overlook the fact that, even though xe chose the route of not writing xyrself and filching the work of someone else, Xani LapZerin has given you a 249 page work by Rasoul Muhammad Rasoul (now apparently a lecturer at Soran University, although I have not been able to find out what in) on the history of this place with 24 pages of source citations in its bibliography. It's not something to be ignored just because someone took to plagiarizing it. Uncle G (talk) 02:43, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kurdish propaganda[edit]

There is too much Kurdish propaganda and pro-Kurdish, anti Arab/Iraqi/Turkmen racial bias on this article.

Examples: - Adding only the Kurdish name to the top of the article (why not Arabic and Turkmen).

- Changing the order of ethnicities in the introduction from Turkmen, Arab and Kurds to Kurds, Turkmen and Arab (clear racism)

- Adding an unsourced lie claiming that Kirkuk is the ‘Jerusalem of Kurdistan’ (Kirkuk is not in Kurdistan and this has no source no shouldn’t be in the article)

- Adding a completely unverified and incorrect claim to the Demographics section that Kirkuk had a Kurdish majority, even though this is unverified and not true, and does not count as actual demographics. This is in contrast to every other source which proves that Kirkuk has never had a Kurdish majority. كركوك مدينة عراقية (talk) 17:15, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

100% agree. House of tabooleh (talk) 18:48, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is correct, why has this not been fixed? Mteiritay (talk) 03:57, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 September 2023[edit]

Orlando20232023 (talk) 19:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Kirkuk was always a Kurdish majority region and Kurds never tried to kurdified. In this wikipedia page says Kurds tried to kurdify Kirkuk which completely wrong. I bet this has been put in by people who are just greedy and wants to terrorize Kurdish community. Thanks,

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cited sources say Kurdish forces were expelling non-Kurdish residents Cannolis (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 October 2023[edit]

Change turkmen activist fateh salah to iraqi turkmen claims Kirkukturk3 (talk) 08:52, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Change turkmen fate salah says to iraqi turkmens claim Kirkukturk3 (talk) 21:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's still not clear what change you're looking for. It would help if you copy-pasted the full sentence you want edited here, and also provide an exact copy of the full sentence you think should replace it. Tollens (talk) 07:15, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"while it is seen by the Turkmen activist Fatih Salah as the cultural and historical capital of Iraqi Turkmens." To "while it is seen by the iraqi turkmens as their cultural and historical capital." Kirkukturk3 (talk) 09:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Question: Please explain why this should be changed (does the source support a different statement?) Brendan ❯❯❯ Talk 16:53, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it does support a different idea for years the page has stated iraqi turkmens claims but just recently fateh salah was added which there is almost no proof of his existence expect one article Kirkukturk3 (talk) 21:08, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The issue is that the cited SOURCE in the article only supports the first claim. In order to change the text to your proposed replacement, (which may very well be accurate) we would need a reliable source that supports it. PianoDan (talk) 16:28, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
sources like https://citiesintransition.net/fct-cities/kirkuk/ and https://minorityrights.org/minorities/turkmen/ and many more state what I'm saying Kirkukturk3 (talk) 22:12, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: as above. microbiologyMarcus (petri dish·growths) 19:22, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Neither of those sources directly supports the change you are requesting. The second one doesn't even use the word "capital". PianoDan (talk) 06:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://unpo.org/members/7878 Kirkukturk3 (talk) 11:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Stale, contested request. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok,sure let me just explain what the propaganda here that no one cares about
Literally for years the page said "iraqi turkmens claim kirkuk as their cultural capital" it says the same on both the iraqi turkmen and turkmeneli page, the problem is there is no proof of the existence of such an activist only some pages state his nameits an obvious Kurdish attack against iraqi turkmens,same happend on the mandali wiki page where a kurd deleted every mentions of turkmens there and no one cared about it they used unreliable source such as the one used for that specific line(they claimed suleymaniah was 100% kurdish or kirkuk is 52% kurdish etc)
If other reliable wiki pages of iraqi turkmens state that kirkuk is their cultural capital then you should really check it out Kirkukturk3 (talk) 16:14, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No need to establish a consensus since another protected edit request also requests for this to be deleted,The page sourced never actually mentions "while it is seen by the Turkmen activist Fatih Salah as the cultural and historical capital of Iraqi Turkmens" its just an unsourced statement using another source changing "while it is seen by the Turkmen activist Fatih Salah as the cultural and historical capital of Iraqi Turkmens" to "It is considered by the Iraqi Turkmen to be their cultural and historical capital." Will be helpful to actually source a reliable statement Kirkukturk3 (talk) 15:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This request has been closed by an administrator as contested and another editor as requiring consensus. Continuing to re-open it without substantively addressing the reasons for closure - in this case, starting a talk page discussion and attaining consensus with fellow editors - is disruptive. —Sirdog (talk) 03:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 October 2023[edit]

Change to population from "1,031,000 2021 estimate" to "1,075,000 2023 estimate" Kirkukturk3 (talk) 01:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —Sirdog (talk) 07:36, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 December 2023[edit]

1) Please revert the order of ethnicities in the introductory paragraph from Kurds, Turkmen and Arabs, to Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen, as this is a fairer and alphabetical order and the former appears to be an ethnically motivated edit according to the edit history.

2) Also remove the unverified and inaccurate initial paragraph of the Demographics section; it falsely claims that Kirkuk had a Kurdish majority using an unverified claim, and does not count as actual demographics.

3) Please change the second paragraph, from "Kirkuk was proclaimed the "capital of Iraqi culture" in 2010.[citation needed] It is described by the Kurdish leader and former Iraqi president Jalal Talabani as “the Jerusalem of Kurdistan”, while it is seen by the Turkmen activist Fatih Salah as the cultural and historical capital of Iraqi Turkmens.[9] The government of Iraq states that Kirkuk represents a small version of Iraq due to its diverse population, and that the city is a model for coexistence in the country.[10][11]", to "Kirkuk was proclaimed the "capital of Iraqi culture" in 2010.[citation needed] It is considered by the Iraqi Turkmen to be their cultural and historical capital.[9] The government of Iraq states that Kirkuk represents a small version of Iraq due to its diverse population, and that the city is a model for coexistence in the country.[10][11]".

This is because the rest is unsourced.

Mteiritay (talk) 04:03, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit protected}} template.  Spintendo  04:35, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please explain what that is? Mteiritay (talk) 05:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
i agree with you, i kept trying to change the "activist" part but no one cares that its literally obvious Kurdish vandalism Kirkukturk3 (talk) 15:31, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: Consensus means that interested editors discuss a desired edit on the talk page and eventually reach a compromise, to put it very basically. If involved editors fail to do so, there are dispute resolution processes available to address it. Continuing to re-open requests which are declined on the basis of lack of consensus is not the way to go about it. —Sirdog (talk) 03:53, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are biased, unreliable sources cited in the demographics section[edit]

In the demographics section about Kurds the only "source" cited on the percentage of Kurds in the city is from an online article by a turkish newspaper (the daily sabah). The article doesn't state where it got the numbers and it clearly contradicts any credible source that's available on the subject. And any well intentioned editor should look into it and update it. Zageos21 (talk) 08:06, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, there are three different sources. Your statement is false. Here are extra sources confirming the correct information in the demographics section. There is no proof for your claim that it is 'biased' or 'unreliable'.
https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/iraqs-kurds-want-their-independence-but-winning-it-wont-be-easy-13092133
https://web.archive.org/web/20170417225809/http://www.let.uu.nl/~martin.vanbruinessen/personal/publications/Iraq_paper_ISS.htm#_ftn11
Kirkuk is not Kurdish. Mteiritay (talk) 17:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This source is for the kirkuk governance and not the city . Both have different percentages.
in the city the turks are the majority .
your statement is incorrect. I highly suggest you to check out this scorce .
https://web.archive.org/web/20170417225809/http://www.let.uu.nl/~martin.vanbruinessen/personal/publications/Iraq_paper_ISS.htm#_ftnref11 NICTON t (talk) 00:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 January 2024[edit]

change the population to 1,100,000 (2024) Kirkukturk3 (talk) 16:52, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — FenrisAureus ▲ (she/they) (talk) 03:02, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Population (2023) 1,075,000 to Population (2024)1,100,390
Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/world-cities/kirkuk-population Kirkukturk3 (talk) 13:49, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: This source seems less credible than the current (only a few months older). It is also strictly an estimate.
— Urro[talk][edits] 17:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. No consenus that worldpopulationreview.com is a reliable source. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 03:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Census 1957[edit]

The demographic information regarding the 1957 census was falsified by an unknown Wikipedia user. See in Source. Mêzgir (talk) 12:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC) Sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KurdîmHeval Aintabli (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected now. Thank you. Semsûrî (talk) 14:32, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, thank you for quickly addressing this issue. The table described as "Census results for the city proper of Kirkuk in 1957" is also falsified, as the source provided, provides different data. Mêzgir (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC) Sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KurdîmHeval Aintabli (talk) 22:51, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see the problem now. The percentages are for the liwa/province and not for the city. Turkmens are 37% of the city, Kurds 33% and Arabs 22.5%. Both sources have the same numbers. Semsûrî (talk) 18:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The percentages and numbers are correct. [4] NICTON t (talk) 00:02, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1957 population[edit]

I request changing the population visualization to be like that .

ethnic population distribution in kirkuk “1957”
City Population
Turkish
45,306(37.6%)
Kurdish
40,047(33.3%)
Arabic
27,127(22.5%)
Syriac
1,509(1.3%)
Hebrew
101(0.1%)

[5] NICTON t (talk) 00:00, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My suggestion is to add this visualization instead of boring old school table. NICTON t (talk) 00:08, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnicity list[edit]

In the opening paragraph, instead of 'Kurds, Turkmens and Arabs' it should be 'Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen', in alphabetical order. Mteiritay (talk) 21:13, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks nicer honestly, it's the first ethnic groups people who know about kirkuk think about it in order. Kirkukturk3 (talk) 03:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christians also one of the original people of karkuk from caldanian, Assyrian, etc the Turk called the people how lives in the castle of karkuk (kala gawir) 2A02:6B69:7B3E:0:443C:6F36:3D2E:9E9E (talk) 08:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 April 2024[edit]

Hi! Can you add konya as a sister city with Kirkuk? Here are two sources that I found about it https://unpo.org/article/14669 and https://ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2012/8/kirkuk744.htm Kirkukturk3 (talk) 03:24, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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