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Hi John, Blue Amberol Records doesn't make sense at the present. It doesn't mention the article's subject, and appears to be just disc listing. Start with eg Blue Amberol Records is a US(?) record lable whose titles include...

jimfbleak

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I'm enjoying your contributions. One thing I'm wondering about is that lots of them have lots of unneeded html programing in them;

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etc. Are you adding those yourself, or is that an artifact of some program you're using? Wondering simply, -- Infrogmation 16:56, 23 Aug 2003 (UTC)

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Hi John, nice work except one thing - album and film titles should be italics not quotes. See Wikipedia style guide. Iam 05:34, Oct 19, 2003 (UTC)

...And please use the wiki 2 ' rather than html. Otherwise, keep up the good work! Cheers, -- Infrogmation 01:21, 26 Oct 2003 (UTC)

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Also, you've recently been converting song titles to italics -- according to the style guide for titles, song titles should be in "real" quotes rather than italicized (album titles are italicized):

"Red House" first appeared on the Jimi Hendrix album Are You Experienced?.

Perhaps you can reprogram your parser to change these to hard quotes? Jgm 13:30, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)

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You have been doing a lot of good work and I thought I would mention that Tiles 06:55, 31 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thank you. I find the formatting guide (or is that rules) to be somewhat confusing but the data is worth the effort. If only there was a wiki symbol for Tab (sigh). John Rogers

There is. the semicolon ":", when it is the first character in a line. Actually, it works like an "indent" function; long lines are also wrapped. Hope this helps. -- Viajero 20:28, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Music, music, music

Hello. I don't think our paths have really crossed before. I'm glad that you are going around tidying up after me. Deb 21:18, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. That's a good suggestion of yours - though, now that we have the "Category" facility, I can see all lists being outlawed in the future. Actually, though, I think people are more likely to click on the name of the musical to get the credits, rather than on the year. It would be great to have a comprehensive set of articles about musicals, but I fear it will take quite a while - some are quite obscure, aren't they? Deb 19:05, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Hi, John. Yes, I think we should aim to create articles for as many musicals as possible. Let's face it, most articles begin life as stubs, so there's no shame in it. Deb 16:52, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Pop singers categorization

Hi. Taking a look at Traditional pop music, your recategorizing the Boswell Sisters as "Traditional pop music singers" seems not to fit, so I'm reverting. Possibly the article &/or categorizations need some reworking, do you have any thoughts or suggestions on that? Cheers, -- Infrogmation 15:31, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Recording dates

You seem to have a lot of recording dates and similar information. Where are you getting it from? I'm actually glad to see your edits to my articles, since they supply info I didn't have and anything that builds up the articles about the songs I like is good. -- BRG 15:23, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. The only source I'd seen online was for Perry Como's recordings, at [1] (which you probably know about). -- BRG 15:55, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Hildegarde

You say: "Hildegarde recorded Darling,Je Vous Aime, Beaucoup on May 20, 1935.

I think it should be returned to the 1935 in music page."

That is very puzzling, because all the information I've managed to find gives the copyright date as 1936; how could it be recorded before it was written? (see, e. g. [2]) I wonder if your recording date is wrong? -- BRG 13:33, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Further search does seem to confirm your 1935 date, as see [3] and [4]. -- BRG 14:24, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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A request

Since you and I often work on the same pages, I just wanted to make a request. If you come across any page on which I put a reference to the discography at settlet.fateback.com, could you change it to the new URL, 78discography.com ? I've been trying to do this, but I'm sure there are a lot of pages I couldn't spot. -- BRG (talk) 15:54, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

If you search on settlet you will get a list of pages. I just updated The Syncopated Clock.

JohnRogers (talk) 06:21, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Taking Liberties

Ta for updating the reference on Liberty Horn. I probably wouldn't have noticed that it was different because I know what it says and wouldn't need to go to it! Peridon (talk) 00:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

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Elsie Randolph

You may be interested to know that I've restored this article, which was deleted for some inexplicable reason. However, I'm having difficulty finding anything in on-line sources to add. Maybe you have some books or other references? Deb (talk) 20:56, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

The Pleasure of His Company

Hello, John. May I press you on this detail of the Stanley Holloway article? I have found that details are frustratingly hard to lay hands on, and if you have chapter and verse it would be a great help. The Oxford Encyclopedia of Popular Music says, "...and in 1977 toured Australia and the Far East in a tribute to Noël Coward entitled The Pleasure Of His Company." If the production was a stage play rather than a Coward tribute show, the main text of the Holloway article is wrong and will need to be amended. Most grateful for any citable information you may have about this production. Tim riley (talk) 11:31, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you so much - that's marvellously helpful. (Put not your trust in Oxford Dictionaries!) Tim riley (talk) 17:49, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Moonlight Cocktail

Hello, can you please give me the source you used to verify that Moonlight Cocktail was recorded on December 8, 1941? Thank you. Cullen328 (talk) 14:21, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Stanley Holloway FAC

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Sam Coslow and "Everybody Loves Somebody"

Hi. Are you sure about this? Some sources list him as a co-writer of that song and some don't. If you are positive and have convincing evidence, please also edit this, as he's still listed there (also, to help prevent having that credit introduced again in the future, I think it's crucial that you mention it – and give your proof – on the talk pages for both the song and Coslow). Regards – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 14:39, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Please bear in mind that having a record sleeve or something where Coslow isn't listed doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't involved: The Trashmen, for example, had to be sued to give credit where it was due with regards to "Surfin' Bird". So maybe (I don't know) there is a case to be made for Coslow. – ὁ οἶστρος (talk) 14:46, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

An article titled “Same Old Song” appeared in the Los Angeles Times on August 3, 1997. It describes how Coslow received royalties for “Everybody Loves Somebody” as the result of an agreement with Irving Taylor and Ken Lane in 1950. Coslow’s claim was based on the melody of a 1920s song titled “Midnight Moon”.

“Midnight Moon” can be heard here:

http://archive.org/details/MidnightMoon

The first two lines of the chorus are very similar to the first two lines of the chorus of “Everybody Loves Somebody”. The verse and the remainder of the chorus are different. The main musical theme of “Everybody Loves Somebody” does appear to be inspired by “Midnight Moon”.

However it appears that Sam Coslow did not write “Midnight Moon”. The songwriter credits on the recording noted above are to Hare--Schafer—Bernard and this attribution is repeated in the Library of Congress database SONIC.

The transfer of copyright to Coslow is explained in this reference: http://books.google.se/books?id=2hTmIYzDdN0C&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=%22midnight+moon%22+%22coslow%22&source=bl&ots=xot5GmOGVH&sig=O5TaRAHKbfnz-usaZSRINX9EDCY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=PoPPUOnQCNH24QSEsICoBg&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22midnight%20moon%22%20%22coslow%22&f=false

Coslow’s name does not appear on sheet music for “Everybody Loves Somebody” even after the 1950 royalties agreement. Neither “Midnight Moon” nor “Everybody Loves Somebody” is mentioned in Coslow’s autobiography.

The ASCAP entry for “Everybody Loves Somebody” is nonsensical because it credits Coslow as co-lyricist when his only claim to royalties was based on the melody!

In the light of this information, I believe my change should stand. The Wikipedia entry for “Everybody Loves Somebody” is technically correct because it reflects the ASCAP entry which has been supported in the courts, even though dubious.

I am indebted to members of the 78-l mailing list for identifying the quoted references.

JohnRogers (talk) 00:08, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

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It's a Hap-Hap-Happy Day is a song featured in the film, Gulliver's Travels (1939 film). A redirect[5] there is appropriate in my view. A blank page on the other hand is not appropriate; if you think the page has no useful content, then propose it for deletion at WP:RFD. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:55, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

An article about the song could usefully link to the film. But a link from the name of the song merely precludes the opportunity to write an article about the song itself. I agree with you about the blank page but the problem is created by the initial link. Next time I try to undo this type of inappropriate link I will insert an article about the song.JohnRogers (talk) 04:56, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

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You came to my attention because my Friend Wilf showed me a very tattered and heavily annotated copy of British Dance Bands on Record, 1911 - 1945 and pointed out that we had the wrong date for She Had to Go and Lose It at the Astor. When I got round to updating the article I found that you had beaten me to it.

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Joel Whitburn's Pop Memories 1890-1954

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I have a copy of Whitburn's book. It could have been a useful resource but it fell into the trap of imagining chart positions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.28.129.159 (talk) 10:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Frank Sinatra

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You undid my change

In Sinatra's early days, mafia boss [[Willie Moretti]] helped him for kickbacks and released Sinatra from his contract with [[Tommy Dorsey]]. Sinatra was present at the mafia [[Havana Conference]] in 1946.

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Thanks for the revert, it appears that it is a 1949 song, but that makes, as it says, written in 1950, wrong. Do you want to amend? Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 11:01, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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Please read and understand WP:COVERSONG before you restore a useless laundry list in violation of Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs guidelines like you did in that article.

You Indiscriminately deleted the whole list including the best versions of the song. Be selective or stay out of it.

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Disruptive editing on Someone to Watch Over Me (song)

This edit has numerous problems:

1. There is a discussion on the talk page which you have ignored
2. You are ignoring WP:SONGCOVER
3. Not using an edit an edit summary and arbitrarily reverting another editor's constructive edit is considered bad practice

Please try to review the basic principles that we edit by and engage constructively with your fellow editors instead of arbitrary and capricious WP:IDONTLIKEIT editing like it appears you're engaging in. Toddst1 (talk) 13:48, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

July 2019

Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did on Dream a Little Dream of Me. This violates Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia.

Reliable source (which I have subsequently added) says you're wrong. Assuming good faith, but clearly another example of seriously bad editing.

Again, if you revert another editor's work, be sure to:

1. Check the talk page and engage in the discussion before reverting or editing if that issue is being discussed
2. Back up your changes with one or more reliable sources
3. Use a meaningful edit summary.

Toddst1 (talk) 05:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Ignoring talk page discussion on yet another article

I noticed that you ignored another talk page discussion at Talk:Mildred_Bailey#Birth_of_Mildred_Bailey by repeating your deletion of her birth date here. (First time here.) It's absolutely clear that you were aware of this discussion because you commented here yet you ignored it, sure in your position that you are right, while disputing a reliable source without providing anything to back up your own position.

This is a canonical example of Wikipedia:Tendentious_editing#Disputing_the_reliability_of_apparently_good_sources while not providing anything to support your own position.

I realize you think you're right and in your mind (only), you're editing in good faith, but the way you're going about it is a serious and chronic problem. If it continues, you may be blocked from editing. Toddst1 (talk) 06:19, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

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