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Proposed move[edit]

Following the naming conventions, the title of this page should be "Blue Jacket" (the commonly used name in English), not Weyapeirsenwah. --Kevin Myers 04:56, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC) P.S. I hope someone who knows how to use these new-fangled computer thingys will move this page to the correct title.

I agree, and I'll see what I can do. ô¿ô Mar. 09, 20:21:18 UTC

I requested the move. See Wikipedia:Requested moves under March 9, 2005 for more discussion. ô¿ô 20:50, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I see now the procedure is to discuss the move here. Though the move is likely to be uncontroversial, I should note two other points in favor of it: 1) There is no standard spelling of "Weyapiersenwah" (there are other variants), and 2) direct descendants of Blue Jacket use the surname "Bluejacket". --Kevin Myers 22:04, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

You can also try the "Move this Page" link under "Edit" in the list of links on the lefthand side of every article. Then again, you may have already tried moving it that way. I tried to move this article that way too, but it didn't work, so I put in the request. BTW re: "...the move is likely to be uncontroversial..." That'd be nice, but I wouldn't bet any money on it. We'll see, I guess. - ô¿ô 22:11, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

Support. violet/riga (t) 23:48, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. violet/riga (t) 17:25, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bluejacket's wives?[edit]

An edit was just made which referred to the race of most of Bluejacket's descendants, stating that both of Bluejacket's wives were white. While I don't dispute this (as yet), I would like a source so that I can research this further. Can anyone help? -- SwissCelt 18:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The edit was close, but not quite right. According to Sugden's book, Blue Jacket's two wives were Margaret Moore (a white captive from Virginia), and a woman (name unknown) who was a métis (Shawnee and French parentage), daughter of Jacques Duperont Baby, a French-Canadian trader. All of Blue Jacket's children were mixed-race; all of his daughters married whites, and so many of his descendants could pass as white or Indian. According to Sugden, this is one of the reasons why the myth of Blue Jacket as a white man was believed, since so many of his descendants looked white, but those European features came from his wives. --Kevin Myers | (complaint dept.) 18:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ive been told all my life that I am related to Blue Jacket.I would love to take a DNA test and find out. Kellicos10 (talk) 20:55, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may delete this if you so choose, but I am a Swearingen, and also, bluejacket is my ancestor. And you guys have your information totally wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.121.66.95 (talk) 21:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Charles BlueJacket[edit]

Is this the guy related to Charles BlueJacket that went to White Feather Spring? J. D. Redding

It seems Charles Bluejacket was the grandson of Weyapiersenwah[1](?) -Haikon 03:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Blue Jacket, Michigan[edit]

Is this named after him? --2604:2000:14C6:8085:105D:62AF:64AD:FE5 (talk) 21:12, 27 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Predecessor?[edit]

This is an odd question and I'm not sure how to phrase it. The lede states that Blue Jacket was "an important predecessor of the famous Shawnee leader Tecumseh." This may be true, but it seems like an odd way of describing Blue Jacket. It's almost as if Blue Jacket is most known for inspiring Tecumseh. While Tecumseh might be more famous, I'm not sure that his accomplishments overshadow Blue Jacket. An "important predecessor" is the way I would describe King Oliver to Louis Armstrong, but not James Brown to Michael Jackson. In the first case, I'd fully expect the intro to Kin Oliver's article to state that he influenced Louis Armstrong; but on the James Brown article, I wouldn't expect Michael Jackson to be mentioned until later in the article. Again, not sure if this is something that can (or should) be improved, and I'm not even sure if I'm stating my thoughts correctly. Hopefully someone can decipher my thoughts and state it more clearly. Canute (talk) 13:00, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm working on a revision of this article that should better describe this. Blue Jacket was the most prestigious Shawnee to lend his support to the Prophet's movement, and we'll get in to all that soon. Thanks! Kevin1776 (talk) 02:46, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image?[edit]

I've never found a contemporary likeness of Blue Jacket. Apparently, Charles Willson Peale had a wax figure made of him, but it was destroyed. Let me know if an image exists that we should look for. In the meantime, do you think we could use the Howard Chandler Christy mural in the Ohio Statehouse? It's not on Wikimedia commons, yet, but it seems like there should be some way to get it. Canute (talk) 22:01, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, no authentic images of Blue Jacket are known to exist. He died before many Shawnees had their portraits drawn or painted. I've also been wondering about the Christy painting. Next year (2022) will be the 70th anniversary of Christy's death, so I think the painting is public domain at that point. I'm not sure what its current copyright status is. Any idea if it's free to use now? Kevin1776 (talk) 22:17, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. I wondered if someone could walk into the statehouse and take a picture of a public space, with the painting in it? Seems like a gray area. Canute (talk) 13:04, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]