Talk:Elfriede Jelinek

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POV Problems[edit]

Some examples from the article:

Readers seeking to indulge in a display of female "lust" will certainly be disappointed, as Jelinek rather aims at the contrary.

Her provocative novel Lust is a description of sexuality, aggression and abuse with pornographic qualities.

Likewise, her political activism, hardiness, consistency and persistence in following her convictions on and off the stage, evoke highly divergent reactions - either positive or negative, depending on one's personal views. Despite the fact that some, who do not share her views, devalue her work rather than merely objecting to her opinion, Jelinek has won many distinguished prizes

I plan on fixing those later tonight. --Ori.livneh 20:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I rephrased or, in some cases, deleted the really problematic bits. I still feel uneasy about the part self-therapy bit, but I think it can be traced to critical analyses of her works and her own interpretations which she provides in interviews. I am not a Jelinek expert by any means. I removed the POV warning, but the article still merits discussion. Please let me know what you think. --Ori.livneh 20:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Really Fast[edit]

That was quick, man. The Nobel prize was only announced today :-)

Were you expecting any less from the Wikipedia community? ;) --Cantus

My Dreams to be a winner prize has gone. Better luck next year.

  • Thanks, guys! :-) However, Elfriede Jelinek is nothing compared to the physics Nobel prize. I know the winners - at least Gross and Wilczek - in person ;-) and I've been predicting them for quite a lont time. See [1] where physics Nobel prize is the only successfully "guessed" one. You should also see the history of the David Gross page, which I created half a year ago and where I insisted that he would be awarded the 2004 Nobel prize. Charles Matthews kept on deleting this important information. He only stopped it on Tuesday when they finally got the prize. ;-) --Lumidek 11:24, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Disgusting POV-pushing[edit]

Is there anyone here who knows what neutrality is? This article is appalling. Shorne 19:03, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

    • Im editing now only the language. It is appaling indeed... :) Izkrivena 14:17, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kaprun Disaster[edit]

I remember watching a play by jelinek which dealt with the Kaprun disaster but I don't remember its name. Is there anyone else who knows? /Marxmax 00:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feminism[edit]

As a feminist, has she expressed her views on Islam?Lestrade 23:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

What is the relevance of this question? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.150.22 (talk) 11:23, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This question is relevant to contemporary life in a world that tolerates Islamic ascendance.Lestrade (talk) 22:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

Ugh. Islamophobe much? Sindinero (talk) 09:42, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not really- Jelinek's works love taking on institutions which, at their foundation, propose/promote the subjugation of women- like the Bible and the Talmud, the Koran has passages on how women should conduct themselves in relation to their men-folk which run exactly contrary to Jelinek's beliefs. (also cf. Die Liebhaberinnen, parody of the Heimat Roman genre and ridicule of the outer facade of modern Austrian society- she revelled in the whole Fritzl thing, which in her view proved her point). My only issue with this would be that Islam is maybe not that relevant a topic for a feminist writer who mainly focuses on Austria/other Western countries in her works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.223.175.141 (talk) 18:29, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Political Nobel Prize[edit]

Are there any sources that acknowledge the exaggerated politicization of the Nobel Prize which is evidenced by its award to such a minor writer as Jelinek?Lestrade 14:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

Jelinek is hardly a minor writer. She may be minor to you and others because she is living, a woman, and diverging from novelistic conventions. (Why do people insist that contemporary writers write a literature of the past?) Surely you realize that she's won other awards. Are you looking towards book sales? What is your criteria? She is writing a contemporary literature that speaks to contemporary culture and reckons with the ghosts of the past. She is one of the most important writers of her generation. -Ienoch123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ienoch123 (talk • contribs) 01:27, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Her judgment and intelligence are evidenced by her statement that she had "been awarded the prize mainly for 'being a woman' and suggested that among authors writing in German, Peter Handke whom she praises as a 'living classic,' would have been a more worthy recipient."Lestrade (talk) 17:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

Deleted Unsourced Sentence[edit]

I deleted the sentence

The CPA is a fringe movement; public Austrian intellectuals, even professedly left-leaning ones, have frequently accused it of unreconstructed Stalinism.

from the first paragraph about Ms. Jelinek's political engagement because it was unsourced and potentially damaging. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.81.43.90 (talk) 20:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Language[edit]

"Prior to winning the Nobel Prize, her work was largely unknown outside the German-speaking world and was said to resemble that of acclaimed Austrian playwright Thomas Bernhard, with its pathology of destruction and its concomitant comedic abrogation. In fact, despite the author's own differentiation from Austria..." English is not this contributor's first language, and is possibly not one of this contributor's languages at any level. I would fix the appalling grammar and clunky jargon of the first sentence, but I have no idea what it means. Anyone have any idea? (I have read Bernhard as well as Jelinek, btw.) Lexo (talk) 14:27, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The whole article is pretty horrendous - a mess of bad English and violations of NPOV, but I don't know enough about Jelinek to do a proper copyedit. I am not one of those editors who believes in cutting everything except properly sourced statements of fact, especially when it comes to articles on the humanities, but I have to admit that in this case I'm tempted. Lexo (talk) 14:38, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh, wow. It's like someone swallowed a thesaurus and vomited this article out all over wikipedia.Eoseth (talk) 20:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
What does that mean?Lestrade (talk) 22:01, 20 April 2010 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

Strange sentence[edit]

"Though she is of Jewish descent, Jelinek self-identifies as being Jewish" - doesn't this sound a little strange? I'm not a native englsih speaker, but wouldn't "though" be used if it was the other way around, for example "Though she is not of Jewish descent, Jelinek self-identifies as being Jewish" or "Though she is of Jewish descent, Jelinek does not self-identify as being Jewish"? /Marxmax (talk) 13:34, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You are right. It is similar to saying,"Though her initials are E. J., she claims that her initials are E. J."173.61.94.184 (talk) 03:14, 30 January 2013 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

references tag removal[edit]

As long as it doesn't put a bee in anyone's bonnet, I'm going to remove the "needs additional references" tag. I added two reputable sources to some of the article's more abstract claims today, and I hope that addresses the issue. I could probably find more sources, but I'm not sure the article needs further substantiation for any other existing claims. Please comment as you see fit. Icarus of old (talk) 01:28, 3 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Obvious category omitted[edit]

I was trying to get to Jelinek's entry from the category Austrian Novelists, which omits her name. The Piano Teacher, after all, is a novel. I see she is listed under "20th Century Austrian writers," which somewhat uselessly lumps her together with Hayek, Hitler, Mach, and Schwarzenegger.

Could you please add her to the category of Musil and Kafka, as well? Many thanks in advance.50.0.36.205 (talk) 15:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Substubs[edit]

Please write articles about her plays or remove the substubs. Nobel or not less than one line doesn't make an article.Xx236 (talk) 14:23, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure someone will jump right on that. Icarus of old (talk) 14:04, 7 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hans Asperger's diagnosis[edit]

Shouldn't the article mention that she was one of Hans Asperger's original patients in the study that gave birth to the idea of Asperger's? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.169.154.69 (talk) 07:48, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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