Talk:Spanish miracle

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redirect?[edit]

Shouldn't this be a redirect to History of Spain and be treated in a wider context? And is "an excuse to demand mass popularity from a miserable civil population" something that can be expected from a merely virtual Dictatorship? I'm losing the conceptualization factor... Wetman 01:28, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

No mention to Tourism, wich was a crucial factor in the expansion --Bentaguayre 09:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article is only the Spanish economic miracle[edit]

This article is only the Spanish economic miracle 1959-1973, and none of the current events should be included. A guy incorporates current events out of place, if the vandalism continues we will have to block the page. Gonbal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.234.216.125 (talk) 15:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Greek or Spanish?[edit]

Both the article Greek Economic Miracle and this article claim that Greece and Spain respectively was "second only to Japan" in economic growth during the same period. Which is it then? --Nikoz78 (talk) 15:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nikoz, you're comparing apples with oranges. The article on Greece is for a longer period, so over that longer stretch Greece did have a higher average growth rate. But over the shorter period of 1959 -1974 Spain had the higher average growth rate.

end of economic miracle[edit]

Every economic period has an ending, and reason for its ending. the end of the Spanish miracle should be discussed also. It seems that as of 2013, Spain's economy is one of the worst-off in Europe, along with three other countries mentioned in the article: Portugal, Ireland, Greece. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.126.140 (talk) 13:32, 28 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The ending of the Spanish miracle is simple, the global economic crisis in the mid 70s. The causes of that global crisis still causes controversy between professional economists, so it would need a separate article to discuss. The so called miracle of the 2000s was a bubble caused by financial speculation on real estate and cannot be compared with the industrial development of the 60s.

Propaganda or facts?[edit]

This article seems to have been written by a sympatizer with Franco's regime in the time. It doesn't include a single mention of the rural exodus and the poor living standard in Spain in the 60s and 70s highlighting the inequality promoted by the fascist/national catholic regime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.65.72.121 (talk) 18:27, 14 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Countries that are moving from rural to industrial economies always have very wide inequality. Industrialisation is fed by workers leaving the countryside and moving to the cities for better paid jobs. This produces a big wealth gap with those who still live the old way in rural areas. This income gap disappears when those left behind move into the modern economy or retire. That is development economics 101. Life expectancy, education, incomes of average Spaniards were far better in the 1970s than at any previous time in their history. I have noticed that the Spanish article has an interesting section at the end on the demographic changes and the unequal development of Spain's regions.

Contradictory Statements from Different Wikipedia Articles[edit]

The Greek and Spanish miracle Wikipedia articles, and other articles that state the miracles, both mention between the time of the 1950s-1970s as being the second fastest growing economy behind Japan. They both can not be second place? Should one be corrected? Different sources coming to different conclusions? Weigh one source over the other? Add a disclaimer, or note, over disputed sources? I don't know what to do

Greek Economic Miracle Article: "[time frame of 1950-73]...the Greek economy grew... second in the world only to Japan"

Economy of Greece Article: "[implied time frame post-WW2]...Greece saw growth rates second only to those of Japan, while ranking first in Europe in terms of GDP growth"

Spanish Economic Miracle Article: "[between 1959-1974 stated in the beginning of the article] second highest growth rate in the world, only slightly behind Japan"

Francisco Franco Article: "Spain became the second-fastest growing economy in the world between 1959 and 1973, just behind Japan" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 21Helios12 (talk • contribs) 02:07, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]