Talk:Schoolhouse Rock!

The 'five' issue

The link to "Five" is inappropriate...well, let me amend that. The fact that "Five" is a television station, not a number, may be inappropriate!

Any suggestions would be helpful.

Brian Sayrs 18:03 Mar 3, 2003 (UTC)

I've unlinked them. We have an article zero, but not other numbers -- we don't have enough server space for that!

These things aired well after 1986- I remember seeing them right after the Bugs Bunny and Tweety show on ABC when I was a kid, which was around 1995.

is 'inaccurate' most accurate?

The article states:

'The short "The Preamble" set to highly infectious music an inaccurate wording of the Preamble of the United States Constitution. The song starts, "We the people, in order to form a more perfect union...", but the actual document starts, "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union...."'

This seems quibbling to me. So I will quibble with the quibble ;-) I would say, rather than 'inaccurate', 'abridged'. Sometimes popularizations abridge perfectly acceptably.

To me, this paragraph is not even worth including, but I wanted some other input before simpliy deleting it. Any other opinions out there?

• I did note the issue as a kid, and just remembered that I needed to re-add 'of the United States of America' after 'We the People'. I'd certainly consider 'abridged' a more accurate term. - Kazrak 15:53, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

The abridged version of the preamble was so well recognized that when I was in junior high school and writing it was part of a history test, 95% of the class missed the words "of the United States". So I do think it is signifigant.

On that note, should we note how "A Noun is a Person, Place, or Thing" is inaccurate as a noun is a "person, place, thing, or idea"? --129.21.117.115 05:15, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

• Actualy, a noun is the name of a person, place, thing or idea. The word "apple" is not an apple. Picky, picky, picky. If you need to, you could mention that the songs simplified the topics to an early elementary school level so they could be put to music, and give a couple of examples. GUllman 18:20, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

In fact, that's another good point to make in the article. Both it and the abridgement of the preamble are quite valid and useful information. Kaz 02:25, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

The criticism of the "noun" song is incorrect. While the song does say "A noun's a person, place or thing," it also says specifically "A noun's a special kind of word, it's any name you've ever heard." So it already specifies that it's any name. - Anon 17:17 10 February 2006.

- The abridgement is interesting, and maybe a little unfortunate, but it is not innacurate or unfortunate that it says that a noun is a "person, place or thing"! It's just a bit redundant - an idea is a thing, and so is a person or a place, for that matter. Yes, a noun is more specifically a *name* for a thing, but that's implied / easily understood. Silly criticism. [Shavais] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.102.219.194 (talk) 18:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

How is it that no one's complained about the inaccuracies of Verbs: That's What's Happening? The episode claims to turn nouns into verbs by adding i-n-g. That's crazy. Instead they are changing present tense verbs into present progressive. Example: "bat" is a present tense verb, "batting" is present progressive tense. The fact that "bat" can also be a noun is immaterial. 64.66.67.161 22:30, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Is it immaterial? I can turn wikt:minion (definitely a noun and in no way a present tense verb) into "minioning", which is what the song is about. Of course, verbing does weird language... :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

There is also the historical inaccuracy in the implication that the pilgrims of Plymouth Colony started the British colonization of the Americas, when actually that honor goes to the founding of Jamestown over a decade earlier. I'm sure other examples could be found as well. 71.63.69.193 (talk) 03:27, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

PSA's about healthy eating

Someone added the note: "The Schoolhouse Rock team also created 30 second public service announcements to talk to kids about healthy eating. Some of these PSAs were Beans and Rice, Chew Chew Chew, Wrappers, and Love Won't Add Weight." I believe this information is incorrect. This website [[1]] says those eating PSA's were made by DePatie-Freleng.

That site doesnt seem very accurate, as it also says those clips were all made in 1977 and feature Timer and Chopper. This other site however is dedicated to these types of PSAs and supports the SHR connection: [[2]]. They probably should be at least mentioned, but im not sure where in the article they would go. Evil-yuusha (talk) 15:37, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Pirates & Emporers Parody

What exactly is this Pirates & Emporers pardoy? Who made it and like? I found it to be excelent in terms of commentary and how they imitate the SHR-style.

The "original" shorts

The article frequently refers to "46" as the "magic number" when it comes to the shorts that were originally aired as part of the series, but the following list contains more than that number. It would be useful if someone could make it clear which of the shorts were part of the "original" batch and which weren't, especially since certain video/DVD releases ONLY feature those shorts. ChrisStansfield 21:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Smash Mouth

I thought Smash Mouth remade "I'm Just a Bill".

Removed "politically correct" trivia entry

The specific example cited, about how "take your powder, take your gun" has been changed to "take your blanket, take your son" is inaccurate. The first quote is sung during the first two repetitions of the chorus; during the third repetition (after "at Valley Forge, they just bundled up their feet") the second quote is sung. The Shot Heard 'round the World makes several references to guns as part of the song. Wyv 09:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

my own personal satisfaction

ok, in the 90's there was a show on abc(?)that was about a courthouse and they played schoolhouse rock during some of the commercials... does anyone remember the name of the show???

Night Court ? Nutster (talk) 01:43, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Science Court. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.108.163.69 (talk) 14:33, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

History Rock

The first VHS release (1973) was titled "History Rock". Does anyone know the history of the name change to "America Rock"? --Jonrock (talk) 00:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced and unreliably sourced information removed per WP:V

Information tht is not reliably sourced may be removed from articles per our verifiability policy. If you want it in the article you have to be able to WP:PROVEIT. -- The Red Pen of Doom 04:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Strange set of information you've removed, IMO. Why take out the phrase "though 'My Hero, Zero' was a lesson in base 10, and thus in a sense was about the number." but not "No shows were produced featuring the numbers 1 or 10 explicitly"? Why take out the bit about the English flag - usually one would put a {{cn}} or similar and let it sit for a bit. Sorry for blindly reverting you, but your red pen and seemingly random deletions are a bit startling. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:47, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Somewhere in WP:V or WP:OR or one of the related pages it states there is not a need for a source for information that is easily verified by the average reader. Looking at the list of episodes, it is very easy for the reader to verify that there is no episode for 1 or 10, so I left that in. (If you wish to take that out as well, I have no issue with that either.) However, jumping to the analysis that "one can say this is covered by base 10" requires more than simple view of the episode list - it requires interpretational knowledge of "base 10" and such a statement without a source, falls into original research and personal opinion and unless stated by a published source, should not be in the article.

The entire article had been flagged for several months for anyone to provide reliable sources and this material was still lacking sourcing, hence I felt no need to tag individual items. Such material as the Britsh flag can always be returned when a proper source is found.-- The Red Pen of Doom 05:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hitachi

Should the Hitachi Get Perpendicular ad be mentioned? It's a spoof of the old Schoolhouse Rock series.

LINK —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.235.234.59 (talk) 01:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

No, unless it's notable for some reason. We don't need this article to include a list of every single parody or homage or knockoff. Tempshill (talk) 22:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Hilary Duff

Where do these claims of that has-been singing "Presidential Minute" come from? I have the song on the 30th Anniversary DVD and the singer is clearly the guy who sang "Conjunction Junction", "I'm Just a Bill", etc. 98.100.201.178 (talk) 18:19, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Clip You must have serious problems if you thought it was Hilary Duff. 76.228.196.90 (talk) 02:06, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

The song released on the 2002 30th Anniversary DVD (and for the given clip) is "I'm Going to Send my Vote to College", about the presidential electoral college. The song "Presidential Minute" was released in 2008 on the election DVD. According to the package [3], Jack Sheldon sang that song as well. No mention of Ms. Duff. Nutster (talk) 04:12, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

merge from new article

A new article called Schoolhouse Rock Songs looks like the same information that already appears in the tables of this article. Are there details in the new article that should be merged in here? FreplySpang 02:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thats my page. I created that page due to a problem that someone would not let me put a small section about Schoolhouse Rocks Preamble in the Preamble article. I made this to give more detail of each song, that would be to much to fit into each table. The tables themselves looks like it was copied and pasted from the one internet page.

>http://www.davemackey.com/animation/schoolhouserock/index.html< --Kopicz (talk) 04:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

2001 or 2009?

Intro paragraph says everything ended in 2001, then there's a whole group of 2009 "Schoolhouse Rock: Earth" entries that aren't mentioned in the text. Could someone clarify in the intro? Tempshill (talk) 22:40, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Using Schoolhouse Rock Live names

The names in the little box at the top are from "Schoolhouse Rock Live", a stage musical which was independently written and produced, using the lyrics of many of the songs of Schoolhouse Rock. The caption should be changed to reflect that this is the logo of the cartoon series. The indicated characters do not appear in any of the TV series episodes. Nutster (talk) 04:14, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Number of Episodes

It is noted in the article that there were 52 episodes made before it was canceled in 1999. When I counted the episodes, I got 51. Either one is missing or the total number of episodes is wrong (but I believe it's the former). Anyone have any idea what the answer is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.68.140.148 (talk) 04:59, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Presidential Minute Release Date

Some of you might know that "Election Collection" reviews at DVD Talk and Ultimate Disney/DVDizzy have claimed the song actually came earlier than 2008, but some Wikipedia members have previously expressed belief that those reviews might be unreliable. However, I found the song myself on the 30th Anniversary DVD, at the end of the "Earn Your Diploma" game, just like the reviews said. If a registered user played the game himself/herself and found the song, would that help verify these claims, or would we still need a reliable article? 68.248.228.114 (talk) 18:23, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Musical genre

Is it not true that the genre of songs in the show is basically the popular folk music of the 1960s? Should this be identified in the lead paragraph? Cdg1072 (talk) 17:30, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Nickelodeon

I've been told this show was on Nickelodeon at one point. The Mo-Ja'al (talk) 18:32, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Not a show - it was run as essentially "public service announcements" and appeared in place of commercials before/after Saturday morning shows (typically right before the top/bottom of the hour starts of another show). I don't believe it was ever licensed to be on Nickelodeon, but if you can find info feel free to Be Bold and add it. Ckruschke (talk) 18:53, 13 May 2019 (UTC)Ckruschke

Schoolhouse Rock Live!

Would it be helpful to create a specific page for Schoolhouse Rock Live? Since the show is performed by many schools and community theaters, it could be useful. Fiscus Brady!! (talk) 5:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)