Talk:Homosexual panic

DSM-IV

Okay . . . would someone like to add the DSM-IV reference for this maladity? Otherwise, I have a hard time not suspecting someone is pulling my leg. -- llywrch 01:03, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Can it work in reverse? Can a homosexual placed in a situation with forced intimacy with the other sex act the smae way? I asked a similar question on the Gay panic defense page and it would be an interesting inclusion if there ever were a case of it. --Lophoole 21:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

PS about the debate on whether its actually real (a few paragraphs below): It would make evolutionary sence.

Unfortunately, it's being used as a defense for assaults against homosexuals. This article makes it sound as if it's non-controversial, which it most assuredly isn't. There are lots of Google hits for "homosexual panic defense" and "gay panic defense". RickK 01:07, Sep 20, 2004 (UTC)

Homosexual panic is a valid psychiatric condition with a long history. Like many other uncommon disorders it doesn't crack a mention in the index of DSM-IV nor to my recollection in the text. But then it shares that fate with many others. Try looking up Capgras delusion or Koro for instance. I don't think the existence of the disorder is controversial but its use as a legal defence may well be. Why not have a look at some of those web articles and extract some kernels from them. --CloudSurfer 09:51, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Can you give any references to primary sources about "homosexual panic" being a valid psychiatric disorder, CloudSurfer? I have consulted three textbooks and a full-text database about abnormal psychology: none of them mentions this disorder. I also think some of the statements in this article sound suspicious, especially The condition most often occurs in people who suffer schizoid personality disorders (people with SPD normally experience flattened emotion) and caregivers often are selected from members of the opposite sex, and invasive proceedures such as injections with needles or suppositories are contraindicated (this sounds like a joke). I think that the article at least needs to mention primary sources for such claims and for the assertion that it is a 'valid' disorder. Hence the accuracy-tag -- Sietse 20:35, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The article would actually appear to be a paraphrasing of the entry in "Comprehensive Textbook of Psychiatry" ed. Kaplan, Freedman and Saddock. I have the third edition (1980). The article on page 2101 (Vol 2) starts:

"This is a term applied to an adjustment disorder of adult life characterized by delusions and hallucinations that accuse the apatient, in derisive and contemptuous terms, of a variety of homosexual practices. The panic typically occurs in patients with schizoid personality disorders who have successfully protected themselves in the past from physical intimacy. Breakdown occurs in a setting of enforced intimacy, such as a college dormitory or a military barracks. There may be a history of alcohol or drug use preceding the acute episode."

It then goes on to discuss treatment. Mentioning suicide and homicide but not suggesting they are common, just possible. Compare that with the article. This condition certainly happened in WW2 but I must say I have not even heard of it happening in Australia since then. I have heard of it used as a defence in the US. I think the article is fine as is and the dispute should be removed. The exaggeration of the homicide suicide stuff should be changed and I will do both and categorise it under Psychosis, it really is a brief reactive psychosis. It badly needs to be brought into the current millenium with some recent references. For all we know it may have suffered the same fate as the hysteria epidemic around the turn of the 20th century. --CloudSurfer 19:24, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sorry Sietse, I didn't notice another part of your comment. The article goes on to say:

"With male patients, female staff members, preferably those cast in a matronly model, should be used as therapeutic allies. ... The use of needles, suppositories, and unnecessary physical contact are best avoided."

Truth is stranger than fiction! There are obvious Freudian aspects to this. Remember that this condition was big in the 1940s. --CloudSurfer 19:28, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

OK, I have now gone through and put in a number of references. Most of them from my skim readings seem to accept the concept of the disorder, although there is some disputation. I don't have access to the Can J Psych article so someone might like to look that up as it was the only non legal academic article I found. Most of the legal articles perceive the defence use as inappropriate and often based on a condition that does not fulfill the criteria for the diagnosis of homosexual panic. I don't have the energy to go further into this but please do. --CloudSurfer 20:49, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your clear reply and improvements of the article, CloudSurfer. Maybe I was a bit too skeptical, but I think that it is important to provide references or motivations for the kind of assertions in this article (i.e. claims that are not common knowledge of people who are familiar with the general topic). The article looks fine and NPOV to me after your improvements. Sietse 14:34, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

References

I have moved the references to the legal defense to Gay panic defense. They made up four of six references and are simply secondary sources all referring to each other when it comes to the psychiatric basis. More references to the psychiatric term would be in order, please. --TreyHarris 18:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Queer Theory

Theorist Luce Irigary has used the term "male homosexual panic" to describe a situation where heterosexual men who may have some suppressed desire for other men completely obliterate all desire and sexuality (even for women) so as to not encounter their homosexual desire. She uses Henry Jame's novella "The Beast in the Jungle" as a point of entry. Her essay is called "The Beast in the Closet".

You mean Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick, not Luce Irigaray. The essay is in her book Epistemology of the Closet Mujinga (talk) 17:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

False allegation of child sexual abuse

It would be interesting if any link could be made between these false allegations about homosexuality and false allegations of child sexual abuse, which is a relatively new phenomenon. People that make these accusations are often imagining different types of abuses, and any type of socially inappropriate sexual advance may be perceived as a form of personal or moral abuse. ADM (talk) 04:38, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Please present any reliable source to support this connection. -- Banjeboi 04:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Note, this article about a psychotic disorder rather than any false allegations, whilst false allegations of child sexual abuse is about the false allegations. Consequently it does not look like there is any reason to draw links between the topics.—Ash (talk) 18:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Relation to trans panic

Should the related defense of "trans panic" also be mentioned here? Genderhack (talk) 05:23, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

The legal cases at Gay panic defense cover transsexual victims. This is not quite the same topic as "trans panic" but I'm not convinced the terminology would have enough significant sources to distinguish it in a meaningful way.—Ash (talk) 17:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Trans panic derives from gay panic at least from a cultural viewpoint, we certainly could have a paragraph about it. One theory of logic is that the attacker finds out the trans person was born biologically male ergo they just had sex with a guy so OMG I was duped into gay sex. Quite simplified but that's one connection how they interrelate. -- Banjeboi 05:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Clarification

From this article (which I randomly browsed to) I don't understand exactly that this disorder is.. I think the word "accusing" in the opening sentence needs replacing/expanding (Perhaps it has a specific psychological definition?) ... What does it mean in this context? Are the hallicinations making the person feel accused of homosexual activities?

  "describing an acute, brief reactive psychosis involving delusions and hallucinations accusing a person of various homosexual activities."

--94.192.245.121 (talk) 00:11, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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гомосексуализм как неизбежность

может ли мужчина ставший уже гомосексуалистом вновь стать гетеросексуалом не смотря на то что его регулярно имеют как девочку или это не возможно. процесс происходит в закрытом учреждении\армия.тюрьма.дед-дом.интернат ..и т.д..\ ..вопрос серьёзный при этом может ли возникнуть у пассива- гомосексуальная паника или нет 2A00:1FA0:86C1:B24F:6D36:F42D:9146:8241 (talk) 06:22, 16 August 2022 (UTC)